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Title: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: ALLEN SPENCER on December 07, 2017, 03:26:04 PM
I have a question about rear wheel well moldings for NON-RS 1968 Camaro. Many references and parts suppliers indicate that the short rear wheel well molding is only correct for the RS equipped cars in 68. However, many survivor photos of Z28, SS models and non-RS base models with survivor status and legends class winners show that many of these cars ( NON RS cars) had the short rear wheel well molding. But I have also seen original survivors with the long version like the 1967 cars. My 68 SS L34 currently has the short version with no screw holes present for the long version (but it has been restored before so not a perfect example). My question is - is it correct for Non-RS equipped 1968 camaro to have the short version of the rear wheel well molding? And what determines which type ( long type or short type) goes on each car? I have read many if not all the posts related to the RS wheel well molding but can find none which address my question.
Thanks in advance - CRG is a great web site and I visit it often.
Allen
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 07, 2017, 08:24:33 PM
Allen, the rear moldings (P/N 7795063 and 7795064) are for all 1968 Camaros, Rally Sport or not. Only the fronts are different. Which leads to more confusion because the parts manuals contradict each other! One will say "WITH RS" while another will say "WITHOUT RS" for the exact same part number!! However, the front RS moldings are shorter because of the side trim (the "spear").

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: william on December 07, 2017, 10:14:42 PM
I have to disagree.

I have a number of vintage magazine road tests of different '68 Camaro RS and they clearly show both front and rear wheel well moldings terminating at the RS lower body trim. They were also serviced that way.
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 07, 2017, 10:42:34 PM
Bill, this is a picture of my car (SS/RS) and as you stated, it goes all the way down. However, I always thought it was "supposed" to end at the "spear", and my molding was wrong!

(Ignore the spear location and the screws holding it on. I know that's wrong!)

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 07, 2017, 10:59:32 PM
And here's the rear.

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: william on December 07, 2017, 11:25:08 PM
Bill, this is a picture of my car (SS/RS) and as you stated, it goes all the way down. However, I always thought it was "supposed" to end at the "spear",

That is not what I stated. On a '68 RS, all 4 wheel well moldings terminate at the RS side trim. Here's a photo of a '68 RS at the Tech Center. '68 RS cars did not use the rocker spears.
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 07, 2017, 11:52:15 PM
Bill I wasn't referring to the single long spear that was standard on all non-RS cars, but the Z22 3 piece (each side) rocker molding set.

You have a picture of the front wheel molding?

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: rare396bronze on December 08, 2017, 01:42:15 AM
All 68 rear's are the same 7795063 & 7795064 The front 68 r/s is 3928529 & 3928530 which stops at the r/s molding. The non r/s molding on the front is  9785881 & 9785880 which goes all the way  down to the bottom off the fender. Hope this help!
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: william on December 08, 2017, 01:45:14 AM
Absolutely NOT.

All vintage road tests show the same thing-all 4 wheel well moldings terminate at the RS side molding. This is the PHR Feb '68 test of an L78 SS-RS.

Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: william on December 08, 2017, 01:57:41 AM
Side view, same car.

Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: rare396bronze on December 08, 2017, 04:05:14 AM
That what I am saying on the RS option on the front's are shorter. The rear's used the short on the RS & standard Camaro because there was they only offered one type of wheel molding 7795063 & 7795064 per my 1969 Chevrolet parts books.
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: william on December 08, 2017, 01:29:20 PM
The P & A Manual is a no way to determine what was used in production. I worked for a Camaro business for 15 years. There are many examples of GMPD messing up applications. In production, a non-RS '68 Camaro with style trim used the same full-length wheel well moldings as a '67. All you had to do for a non-RS style trim '68 Camaro was order '67 moldings. That's how they were built.
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 08, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
I should have checked this before I replied above, but the 1967 and 1968 AIM's show the Z21 (fronts) as 3893829 and 3893830. For Z22 it says "See RPO Z21". This tells me that ALL 1967 and 1968 Camaros ordered with Z21 or Z22 got the same exact molding.

Yes, they were replace in SERVICE by two different applications, depending on if the car had Z21 or Z22 (Without RS or With RS), but according to the AIM's, for production, there was only one set for the fronts.

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: william on December 08, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Nope. The assembly manual is just that: assembly instructions. If a different part assembles the same, they use the same instructions. There are plenty of examples in all the AIMs.

'68 Z/28, Hi-Performance Cars October '68.

Once again, worked in a parts business for 15 years. Not the first time I have had to explain this:

All '67s with Z21/Z22 and '68s with Z21 used the same 4 wheel well moldings. Only '68 RS used the 4 shorter moldings.
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 08, 2017, 06:05:09 PM
Bill, I think we're all saying the same thing with regards to the front moldings, but getting confused on the wording!

1968 Z21 (non-Rally Sport) - Got the "long" molding as shown in the top pictures.
1968 Z22 (Rally Sport) - Got the "short" molding as shown in the lower pictures.

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: william on December 08, 2017, 06:34:07 PM
The statements you just made contradict that:

"This tells me that ALL 1967 and 1968 Camaros ordered with Z21 or Z22 got the same exact molding."

"...but according to the AIM's, for production, there was only one set for the fronts."

Neither statement is accurate.

These are correct, with slight editing:

1968 Z21 (non-Rally Sport) - Got the "long" moldingS as shown in the top pictures. Same as all '67s if so equipped
1968 Z22 (Rally Sport) - Got the "short" moldingS as shown in the lower pictures. '68 RS only.

By now Allen is probably sorry he asked!
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 08, 2017, 06:54:35 PM
That's because this all got me so confused I didn't know what was what!! I had to go back and re-read everything several times before I could hash it out. And the original dealer pictures I just posted made it easier for me.

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: ALLEN SPENCER on December 08, 2017, 06:59:24 PM
This is good discussion guys but I think you took over my question. I wanted to know about the REAR wheel well moldings on NON-RS cars? Are both short and long trim types correct? Some NON RS cars have the short version ( look at Darrel Cook's Rally Green L78 in the original cars section). But I have also seen NON-RS cars with the long version for the REAR trim molding. That is what I wanted to know. However, I did find the discussion to this point interesting as well. Please help me answer my original question.
Allen
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bertfam on December 08, 2017, 07:33:48 PM
Allen, the rear moldings were used on both the Z21 and Z22 cars, and terminated at the top of the rocker panel as shown in the picture in my reply #4.

Ed
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: cook_dw on December 08, 2017, 07:34:46 PM
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Some NON RS cars have the short version ( look at Darrel Cook's Rally Green L78 in the original cars section).
Allen


Allen look at the thread again.  He did not originally order the car with the Z21 package.

(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14274.0;attach=18850;image)



Also you can not add Rinsor's 68 to the list either as it too was a non Z21 option car but had the wheel well molding added after.

(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14767.0;attach=19654;image)


Dave's 68 Z with Z21 option.

(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15818.0;attach=21542;image)


Skips RS Z

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20RS%20Z28/DSC_1025_zpsxmrfbmmj.jpg~original)


As for the rest of the conversation..  I'm staying out of it.
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: bcmiller on December 08, 2017, 07:48:51 PM
Holy buckets Darrell, that is a huge pic! 
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: ALLEN SPENCER on December 08, 2017, 08:18:32 PM
To Ed, thank you for the clarification on the rear wheel well moldings (I went back and reviewed your reply #4). That answers my question completely and I appreciate it. So  - it is correct for my non-RS L34 to have the short rear wheel well moldings. Yeaaa! To Darrell- I should have looked at your car thread a little closer. I very much appreciate you correcting the record and letting me know about that (I did not notice the early pictures did not have the trim Z21 option). BTW, I love your car - that color is great on 68's. Also thank you for correcting the record on "Rinsor's" car as well because I thought it was a completely original reference. Are there any other upgrades or non original changes to that car that I should know about. This FORUM is absolutely fantastic. Thanks again to everyone for the help and great info.
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: ALLEN SPENCER on December 08, 2017, 08:26:15 PM
OOOPs. I also meant to thank "Rare396bronze" for definitive statement on the rear moldings as well and other participants too.
Allen
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: cook_dw on December 08, 2017, 08:32:15 PM
Holy buckets Darrell, that is a huge pic! 


Not me.  I just copied and pasted.



Allen, I do not know of anything on his car that isnt original.  That was just my observation.  Not bad mouthing his car as its a better specimen on originality than anything I have just noticed the well moldings were for an RS.  Right or wrong its still an amazing car.


And thank you for the comment.  I'm kinda partial to the car.   :)
Title: Re: 1968 non-RS wheel well moldings
Post by: 68camaroz28 on December 14, 2017, 02:44:29 AM
Holy buckets Darrell, that is a huge pic! 


Not me.  I just copied and pasted.



Allen, I do not know of anything on his car that isnt original.  That was just my observation.  Not bad mouthing his car as its a better specimen on originality than anything I have just noticed the well moldings were for an RS.  Right or wrong its still an amazing car.


And thank you for the comment.  I'm kinda partial to the car.   :)
Yea, blame me Darrell as I'm the one who posted Skip's pic's. :) It was not that big when I posted it. LOL I think the system (CRG) automatically downsized it when loaded so I guess it is my fault for now until photobucket cancels 3rd party when my grandfathering is lost.
Agree with the info shared by William and company but to assist with Allen's question IMHO the answer is yes, both are acceptable. Our 68 non RS car came with RS rear wheel mouldings, and that is what I put back on. I've noted other original survivor type cars with the same and when I asked JerryM at his place around 2010 about it he told me to look at his 68 survivor as its the same.