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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: bcmiller on July 14, 2017, 03:38:55 PM
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Looking for pics or information from original cars. If you aren't at least 99 percent sure it's original, then don't post.
Looking for the following...
1. Finish on the metal. Painted? If so what color?
2. Production year and month.
3. Vehicle Assembly plant.
Thanks!
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Chick has many pictures including many of my old car. I'm sure he will chime in. Danny
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OK sounds good. Just a reminder to stay on topic though and keep it to just what has been seen on original cars. No judging discussion - or that will be removed. Thanks in advance!
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I am in "Joe Friday" mode. "All we want are the facts". :)
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02D 1969 Norwood Z28
plate painted black
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Thanks Charley. Is that from a 69, or which year?
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This picture is from a Baltimore built 11A 68 chevelle with 5K miles and untouched. I will look for more pics, but what I've seen are primarily bare metal and perhaps a few that appear black. From what I recall the engines were not fired with gasoline at either Tonawanda or Flint, and in fact the plate and fuel pump were not installed, which is why the plate is not orange. The plate and pump were installed on the Chevrolet side of the Norwood plant in the engine dress area.
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Bryon, when restoring our 68Z I had two fuel pump plates, one off of a 67 HE (327-300HP) engine and one off our 01B 68 Z28 MO engine. One had no paint and other 100% black paint coverage as in dip painted. Problem was I was not sure which one came off what but both motors were stock unmolested. Will work to take pictures but Skip’s 68 Z/28 07D NOR survivor has black fuel pump plate. His 69 Z/28 late 09D NOR survivor has fuel pump plate with no paint (natural).
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Painted black
12B 69 model
Norwood
Tonawanda 11/29 HA engine assembly.
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Chick has many pictures including many of my old car. I'm sure he will chime in. Danny
The closest thing I have of your old car Danny is this one and cannot really tell if natural or black. Danny's was a 68 05E.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/037_zpshzmhtadv.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/037_zpshzmhtadv.jpg.html)
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Thanks everyone. Please keep the pics and good information coming.
And yes, from John Z's Flint V-8 Plant Engine Manufacturing technical article, during the hot-test, "a natural gas adapter elbow was attached to the carburetor pad".
The fuel pump plate was not installed at the engine assembly plant, since the fuel pump was not needed for the hot test.
http://www.camaros.org/pdf/flint_engine.pdf
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Bump
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So when the engine was hot tested at Flint, there was just an opening where the fuel pump block plate would mount? If so, would there be some oil leakage from the opening?
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Chick,
I sent you a bunch of both sides of the plate a while back. I don't know if I still have them, I'll have to take a look when I get home. In Pacific Grove for 2 or 3 more days. I lost my Microsoft picture manager, and any pictures I post here now end up being baby size. Can't see them well. I had that picture manager down to a science. Gonna have to post another way.
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1968 11E NOR fuel pump plate and 1968 05B NOR fuel pump plate are both black. Both unrestored cars.
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So when the engine was hot tested at Flint, there was just an opening where the fuel pump block plate would mount? If so, would there be some oil leakage from the opening?
Good questions for JohnZ.
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Chick,
I sent you a bunch of both sides of the plate a while back. I don't know if I still have them, I'll have to take a look when I get home. In Pacific Grove for 2 or 3 more days. I lost my Microsoft picture manager, and any pictures I post here now end up being baby size. Can't see them well. I had that picture manager down to a science. Gonna have to post another way.
I checked again Danny and do not have as I probably did not save. When determining what mine should be I'm pretty sure yours was one of the reasons I did mine in black along with another 68Z I had checked.
These the are the two I had but did not know which engine what came off of. As stated earlier in a post, one was off a 67 HE 327-300 hp engine and one was off our 68 302. One was natural and one dip painted black.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/PaintlftornoPaintrightone_zps098f1bc4.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/PaintlftornoPaintrightone_zps098f1bc4.jpg.html)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Painted_zpse157edc9.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Painted_zpse157edc9.jpg.html)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Painted-notebottomofplate_zps3354af32.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Painted-notebottomofplate_zps3354af32.jpg.html)
The one with no paint-
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/FuelPumpPlatenoPaint_zps01c96cd8.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/FuelPumpPlatenoPaint_zps01c96cd8.jpg.html)
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So when the engine was hot tested at Flint, there was just an opening where the fuel pump block plate would mount? If so, would there be some oil leakage from the opening?
Good questions for JohnZ.
Answer from John...
"The fuel pump rod channel (hole) is drip-lubricated from the eccentric on the camshaft that drives it, and a very small amount of oil will eventually find its way down that hole without the rod in place. The engine ran on the test stand for less than 30 seconds, and the oil was drained before the engine left the test stand. The hole in the bottom area of the opening in the block provided a drain path for the "drip" oil back into the pan."
When asked about how engines were shipped to the assembly plate (relative to covering over that hole), John's response was...
"As I recall, in the earlier years, Flint V-8 used a formed cardboard plug in the rod hole (like the ones they used in vacuum fitting holes and in heater hose fitting holes), and later on that changed to a flimsy vacuum-formed plastic cover/plug that also served as a paint mask."
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Danny's 68 NOR 05E MO fuel pump plate. Note the bolts also have black paint on.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%202_zps5dxk2zru.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%202_zps5dxk2zru.jpg.html)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%203_zpsup5dgu0m.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%203_zpsup5dgu0m.jpg.html)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%204_zpsqfgwkbo8.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%204_zpsqfgwkbo8.jpg.html)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%205_zpsjv4yvopj.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/Engine%20Related/Dannys%2005E%2068Z%205_zpsjv4yvopj.jpg.html)
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The 4-07- DZ block I have had the plate just like Danny's. LOS
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My old 1100 mile Van Nuys 70 Z28 has a black plate.
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Quote: "My old 1100 mile Van Nuys 70 Z28 has a black plate."
You sold it??????
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years ago to one of my idiot friends.
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Ouch.
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That's ok. He can take better care of it than I can.
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That's ok. He can take better care of it than I can.
[That's ok. He can take better care of it than I can.
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It is a kind of badge of honor in a sick twisted way, to be called one of Charley's "idiot" friends. I have alway taken it to mean it is a true "car guy".
I have a little running joke with my four year old twin grandsons. I ask if their daddy is a "knucklehead" and they always say "yes". Then I ask if their Pepe' (someone who shall remain me) is a knucklehead, and they always always say "yes". We consider it a badge of honor to be considered a knuckleheads by the "scooters" (my nickname for the twins) in the same way that an "idiot friend" is a bit of a badge of honor coming from Charley.
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Oh, I have been called worse. :)