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Title: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on June 30, 2017, 05:55:11 AM
Built Dec/Jan 1967/1968
Broken 1979
Restoration Started 2004
Restoration Re-Started 2017

Looking forward to continuing Rogers Great work!
Perfect Retirement project in 2 years, when I break out of the J.O.B.

I will be pestering a bunch of you for a while.  ???

Jim W
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 68camaroz28 on June 30, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
Looks like it will be a fun project and love those early 68 Z's with the 302 fender emblems. Now start to take inventory of what you have and what you might need.  ;D
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on June 30, 2017, 11:28:20 PM
The Nice thing it was complete and fairly stock when broke in 79'
Roger started a 13 year restoration & I am proud to continue.

I will be posting a bunch of as found in 2004 (Or as he disassembled the car) & parts as collected.

Since it was parked outside in 79' in the PNW most colors and finishes suffered. (Esp the Orange stripe re-painting funny!)

But the Huge positive is it was intact when roger took it apart and he KEPT & Labeled EVERYTHING.

You are going to see errors and not MCACN level compromises along the journey.


Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: cook_dw on July 01, 2017, 01:14:52 PM
Great project.  More pics!  Every car doesnt need nor have to be a "MCACN level" restoration.  Build it the way you want and enjoy it!
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 01, 2017, 02:22:00 PM
Look forward to seeing this car come together.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 02, 2017, 02:45:23 PM
OK, Just got back from the Seattle SOVERN Historic's racing at Pacific Raceways, When group 3 ran the hair stood up on my neck.

OK. I go pick up the car Sunday

But lets start by posting some disassy pics Roger took in 2004.
Keep a keen eye on the 1968 clues as I do not have any paper on this car.-

Plus a few head scratchers.

OK As Broke (Parked) in 1979 & Found in 2004 by Roger.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 02, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
Sorry about the spastic "OK's
Excited to leave w/ trailer & get  her in the garage.

LOS 12E (JAN ____ 1968 production date) NCRS shippers on order will * Update when received.

JIM
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 02, 2017, 02:52:13 PM
Last TABS (WASHGINTON) AUG 1979.

JIM
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 02, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
Great find. Great pics, keep them coming.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 01:50:49 AM
 :)
Got it Safely Home & in position.

Will start scanning his print photos and post some disassy pictures he took as he tore it apart.

JIM
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 01:55:39 AM
Here is a foggy pic of the Tic-Toc-Tac face (6K red line) back has a build date silk screen date of W7/26/1967


Riddle #1
Rare SS Z28 wonder how & when the SS horn button got stuck on?

I really will enjoy a Red interior
 
Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: cook_dw on July 04, 2017, 12:30:10 PM
Jim can you post up the trim tag info and vin?  My LOS car was 12D and 320495.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 01:03:04 PM
Trim Tag Photo

* Note the booster in this pic is a re-pop. The Orig  # 9078 dtd Julian 326 is on the shelf*

VIN 320777 need to snap a pic (Going off Memory right now)

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: BillOhio on July 04, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
might be dumb but is Gilmore Rogers last name? 
Should we know him?
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 02:14:09 PM
Bill, I just nicknamed the Car, Probably silly of me, no real historical significance outside of the local (Kitsap County Wa) history.  I  have known about the car since 2004 but the amazing part is it sat (broken) from 1979-2004. Dang Rust. His (Roger's) uncle passed away last year  &  I am finishing Rogers Gilmores good work..
He told me his aunt & uncle traded in a super beetle for the Camaro & Roger remembers riding around in the Z in town with his aunt driving, made an impression on him.  I might be a bit enthusiastic as I have not purchased a Camaro since they were giving them away in 1984. This project will be so much fun. For me I sold a 1967 230cu 4 speed car in 84' & rowing gears has been limited to S10's & Toyotas.
Tons more pics to post.

Thanks for asking. I sure wish it had 12900 miles like yours.
This car has  86,314 for a basic 10 year period. Seems the PNW elements were harder on it,,,,

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: BillOhio on July 04, 2017, 02:21:19 PM
I have had nicknames for my car but probably would get banned from the site!! 
My car wasnt perfect that is why I had it painted. I know it sat in the original owners garage a long time but later in its life it was in a pole barn.  I have a feeling it wasnt cleaned up real good and sat where there was condensation.
Good luck with your project. These cars are easy to work on and endless information and encouragement by the guys on here
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: cook_dw on July 04, 2017, 02:44:21 PM
Pretty cool.. 

3 Z's built within a day of one another..

Mine & another that was recently for sale.

Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 68Zproject on July 04, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
Seems the PNW elements were harder on it,,,,

Jim
Very hard.
I grew up West of Portlandia in a small town and bought a 68SS in '76.  8 years old and it looked like it was stored underwater all 8 years.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: maroman on July 04, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
What is broken, and how bad?
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
ENGINE:

The "MO" is gone in 1969 replaced by CE motor short block CE 9A 49906. So can I assume an early owner made a warranty claim?
It is what it is,,,but it will stay that way unless some magical miracle the orig motor shows up.

Trans:
The as built M21 w/ tag, stamp, & vin is intact & rebuilt.

Rear End:
The 12 bolt was long gone. So when roger bought it in 2004 is had a rusty 10 bolt in it. So here is where it get interesting. A local guy parted out a plumb 1967 Z28 ( Story no proof) in the 80's and harvested many Z Parts, including a "PU" coded 12 bolt. Roger bought it cut off the traction arm mount, removed the mon leaf spring mounts and welded on multi's and rebuilt it and installed in this car, So Not a technically correct item, but I am not worried in the least.

When speaking to the HURT part of the story; Roger told me his Uncle spun a rod bearing in 1979 and parked it to fix it someday which never came around and the car sat outside till 2004, that time & PNW moisture surface rusted a lot of parts not to mention the frigging RAIN, oh this place feels like Alaska sometimes.......

but I am getting ahead of myself.

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 05:39:16 PM
Here are some scans of print photos, as he took the car apart (2004)
Lots of great clues to originality but some finishes were severely altered by the elements, however I get a sense of how untouched it seems. I will be asking for some opinions on anomalies relating to the assy deviations I 'think' I see & want some clarification and input. I hope there is some value to others and reference to include my goals of returning it to its former glory.

Front end & eng compt.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 05:52:23 PM
More
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: maroman on July 04, 2017, 08:05:21 PM
Thanks for the explanation. I see a lot of right parts. You know the story of what happened to the car, anything else is just BS. Have fun!! Keep us updated.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 06, 2017, 12:19:57 AM
More Shots as disassembled in 2004
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 08, 2017, 01:23:11 AM
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Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: Jon Mello on July 08, 2017, 04:14:28 PM
Neat car Jim and thanks for sharing the pics and the story. My brother had a C-C, 724 interior '68 Z that was originally from Washington State (Marysville, if I remember correctly). I should have bought from him but I didn't have the funds at the time. I love the color combo.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 09, 2017, 12:57:52 AM
Nice to hear from you. Thanks. I think the combo with the black top is going to appeal to me & hope others,,,,Ha I have a red car and am looking forward to the white-black-red combo

Now a 67/68 question.

Notice this picture,  the pass side valve cover breather nipple (Pipe) to valve cover is straight like a 1967 (?) I thought it should be a 90 degree steel nipple, however HEARTBEAT offers a 1967 ONLY hose that has the bend in it. Could this be a hold over  or assy anomaly or owner servicing modification?

Part number # GM 3916380

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 68Zproject on July 10, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
Mine has the 90* elbow and hose, but to tell the truth it and others don't exactly fit as the parts would lend themselves the best to fit.  Meaning my hose gets straightened a little and seemed like it would fit better with a straight shot into the valve cover rather than the 90.  I know this isn't an answer per se, but it could be someone thought like me and just changed it before knowing or caring about correct restoration parts.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 10, 2017, 03:07:59 AM
Here is a shot from the drivers side.
Note* The Carb was found to be a 1969 Holley 4346 Carburetor

2nd shot notice the "oil" line thru the spedo grommet
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: Jon Mello on July 10, 2017, 12:23:32 PM
That passenger side valve cover fitting and hose are not original to the car and would appear to be an owner servicing modification.

Is the throttle rod on backwards with the thicker part toward the front?
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 11, 2017, 03:57:18 AM
Possibly (Throttle rod), lets look at a few more angles.

Additionally, when the bypass clamps are shown are they the 67 style vice 68 as detailed in Jerry's book.

Jim

Ah ha, I think I see the orig hole in the firewall for the oil sender line, might have been re-routed during the warranty motor r/r/r (Remove/Repair/Replace)
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: Jon Mello on July 12, 2017, 03:36:12 AM
OK, in the first photo above it looks like the fatter part of the throttle rod is in the back like it's supposed to be. I found it hard to tell in the other photos.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 16, 2017, 06:59:51 PM
Here are some more.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 16, 2017, 07:20:59 PM
... including the tune up sticker preserved (not removed & masked during blast-prime-paint when restoring the rad support)
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 20, 2017, 03:07:58 AM
Resto Tip
Made some Powerpoint & MS Word 2" x 4" sticky Avery Labels for re-marking and tracking the million sandwich bags the car is spread apart in.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 68Zproject on July 20, 2017, 04:06:12 PM
Did you see the thread on distributors?  It looks like you have a 266 and if original , Chick would like some info on it.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 21, 2017, 06:48:02 AM
Did you see the thread on distributors?  It looks like you have a 266 and if original , Chick would like some info on it.
Yes, I got him the data & a good Pic Post CHP restoration & curve(ing) of the Dizzy.

I am missing the Orig Carb, Smog, Manifolds, bellhousing. Everthing else seems to be there.

One reason might be the ANTI theft Modification a previous owner made.
I think he had a cable ran thru the firewall to a handle to extend and retract the Latch stop he custom made. Neat idea.

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 21, 2017, 06:59:32 AM
Some Interior shots, interesting patterns, prime, paint and rust.

Surprisingly not a lot of rust repair was need or accomplished. Honestly I need to ask roger HOW they stored it, outside but under a carport?

Jim
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 21, 2017, 07:00:57 AM
Sorry about the sideways
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 21, 2017, 07:06:56 AM
Tire sticker "AY"
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 68Zproject on July 21, 2017, 09:28:49 PM
That's an interesting shift boot.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: JKZ27 on July 22, 2017, 12:45:08 AM
That's an interesting shift boot.
That's the correct shift boot. No longer made or reproduced.
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: firstgenaddict on July 27, 2017, 05:59:53 PM
Wow nice great color combo... can't wait to see it back in it's former glory.

I love red gut cars...
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on July 29, 2017, 07:12:49 AM
More disassembly
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on August 06, 2017, 08:41:51 AM
More
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on August 06, 2017, 08:42:22 AM
more..
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on August 06, 2017, 08:45:22 AM
Something current. (Alt heading out for rest & Will have to mix Orig bracket with repop)

Alt & Bracket (Only have the rear 1/2 of the bracket assy)
Title: Re: Introducing the "GILMORE" 1968 Z28
Post by: 169INDY on September 04, 2017, 03:19:46 PM
Some underbody shots, Heavy LOS overspray.