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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: Mi67RS on May 20, 2017, 06:02:03 PM
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Hello all, new to this site so please excuse any question that I ask if it has already been addressed. please direct me to previous post with the answer I seek.
I have owned my 1967 Camaro sense late 70's not sure exactly when I bought it, I repainted it while still in high school. Almost before the paint was dry i clipped a retaining wall of a parking lot and dented the passengers front fender, this was so traumatic to me that I parked the car and didn't drive it for a long time. When I did face my daemons and start to drive the car again it was more then I could handle, driving such a sweet car with a damaged front end. So I parked it in the Garage and proceeded to pull the front end off, unfortunately did stop with just the front clip. Well time, kids, and life got in the way and the car sat in my mother garage for close to 25 years. Personal reasons and the purchase of a new house allowed me to more the car to its current location where it has been sitting again almost 10 years. In that time I have been purchasing parts to put the car back together. All that is left is a bell housing and drive shaft.
Blah, Blah, Blah. Anyway back to my question, and hopefully the answer doesn't crush my expectations. Recently I found decoding sites and ran the trim tag and VIN tag. My concern is the body number code on the trim tag does not match the serial number of the VIN tag. Please tell me this is normal and that nothing fishy is going on. The hidden codes stamped on the body under the cowl and near the blower motor match the VIN tag, so i'm sure the VIN tag is correct to the car. The car is titled in my name as it has been sense I purchased it. Please help.
IF it helps the paint code on the trim tag is correct to the original color (Marina Blue). And the year and plant codes of both the VIN and trim tags match.
Thanks
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The Trim tag body number was assigned when the body was built in the Fisher Body side of the plant and the VIN was assigned when the body was delivered to the Chevrolet side of the plant and released for final assembly. So the two numbers never matched. The problem that will arise with the tags pertains to the dates on the tags.
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thank you, The VIN reads 124377L and the trim tag is 67-12637 LOS. So they match? Also my trim tag has no Drive-line (2) code, what would have been the engine trans combination? it appears to have a column manual shift, I remember in my younger years removing the trim on the steering column and replacing it with one that didn't have the shifter lever boss on it. It had a floor shift manual trans in when purchased. The rear axle has the round radius rod. unfortunately the original engine and trans are long gone.
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The VIN reads 124377L and the trim tag is 67-12637 LOS. So they match?
From the COWL TAG CODE (http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle) page:
TRIM TAG While the Fisher style code is often confused with the first five digits of the VIN, the two codes are different because of the different meaning of the third digit. In 1967, the third digit of the style code was set to "4" for standard interior or "6" for custom interior.
Since your trim tag code is 12637, your car originally came with custom deluxe interior.
Also my trim tag has no Drive-line (2) code, what would have been the engine trans combination?
your VIN starts with 12437, so your car originally came with the LF7 (327/210) and the standard 3 speed column shift transmission.
Ed
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The rear axle has the round radius rod. unfortunately the original engine and trans are long gone.
The VIN reads 124377L and the trim tag is 67-12637 LOS. So they match?
From the COWL TAG CODE (http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle) page:
TRIM TAG While the Fisher style code is often confused with the first five digits of the VIN, the two codes are different because of the different meaning of the third digit. In 1967, the third digit of the style code was set to "4" for standard interior or "6" for custom interior.
Since your trim tag code is 12637, your car originally came with custom deluxe interior.
Also my trim tag has no Drive-line (2) code, what would have been the engine trans combination?
your VIN starts with 12437, so your car originally came with the LF7 (327/210) and the standard 3 speed column shift transmission.
Ed
Are you sure? An LF7 would not have the radius rod which was on the 12 bolt. What is the rest of the data on the cowl tag?
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Are you sure? An LF7 would not have the radius rod which was on the 12 bolt.
You're right. I didn't see where he said he had the round radius rod! In that case, we need to see a picture of the trim tag. Also, what's the entire VIN?
Ed
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Please post a picture of the tag on the firewall, and a pic of the axle code stamp - which is on the front edge of the passenger side axle tube. Thanks.
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trying to post a picture but doesnt seem to be adding the attachment. the picture is 640 x 480 pixels and 130kb
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well that a surprise i didnt think it attached the photo. :o One of the axle tag will take a little more work.
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Just went looking for the axle stamp. Dont see anything so that one is going to take more work to get and it wont be today. The axle tube is very dirty and might even be undercoated. Sorry also the radius rod is square
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Ok, from the trim tag, your car was built the second week of November, 1966, about a month before the radius rod was introduced, so it indeed came with the LF7 and the standard 3 speed on the column. I THINK it could also have come with the L30 engine with the standard 3 speed column shift, but I'm not sure. I'll have to ask the guys more familiar with 67's
Either way, the axle you have isn't original to your car.
More info though, your car is a Rally sport and also came with a tinted windshield and the Interior Decor group.
More info on the radius rod HERE (http://www.camaros.org/radiusrod.shtml#applications).
Ed
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No need to xxxxx out the body number.
Check the casting date of the axle too. It's on the center section, easier to read from the back looking forward - in the webbing area.
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Yup, could be either 327.
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Yup, could be either 327.
Thanks Kurt. Do we have any other L30/M15 column shift cars in the DB? I would think that's a rare combination!
Ed
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Several. I've even seen a L48/M15 column shift.
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Thank you sir.
Ed
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And I will verify that. Kurt pointed me to one not long before I found the 67 base 327 car for my son.
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Thanks all. I wasn't sure about the body number and I didn't want to take the time to ask. I wanted to get you guys the photo of the tag so better safe than sorry. Is the column shift a rare option. seeing how the drive line is missing and the possibility of getting the original items back is probably zero, would I be safe to just restore the car they way i want. I have a early 1970 high nickle 010 350 out of a Chevy station wagon, a muncie 4 speed with a hurts competition shifter. I have a Saginaw trans but not sure where it can from. Actually i have a few manual trans another that I have is a super t10 with the fine spline, which would be the better choice.
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Go with the Muncie.
Column shift was standard.
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I have a early 1970 high nickle 010 350 out of a Chevy station wagon
The "high nickle" block is an old wives tale that's been propagated over and over through the years. No one knows how or where it began, but the "010" and "020" cast into that front bulkhead identifies the common core pattern used for two different blocks, not any metallurgy. More info HERE (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10311.0;all) (read the replies from JohnZ and Bergy).
And I agree with Bryon. Go with the Muncie.
Ed
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I have a early 1970 high nickle 010 350 out of a Chevy station wagon
The "high nickle" block is an old wives tale that's been propagated over and over through the years. No one knows how or where it began, but the "010" and "020" cast into that front bulkhead identifies the common core pattern used for two different blocks, not any metallurgy. More info HERE (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10311.0;all) (read the replies from JohnZ and Bergy).
Thank you Ed, guess I'm guilty of drinking the koolaid. Another wives tail I've heard about the "010" blocks is they were all four bolt main
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guess I'm guilty of drinking the koolaid.
Don't feel bad. A lot of people STILL believe it!
Another wives tail I've heard about the "010" blocks is they were all four bolt main
Yep, another mistake most people make. Only the high HP engines got the 4 bolts mains. The lower HP engines were 2 bolt. However, most truck applications, even the lower HP engines, got 4 bolt.
Ed
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Would this car have had a front stripe and if so what design and color
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Would this car have had a front stripe and if so what design and color
Probably didn't have a stripe.
See this link.
http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#stripes
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The link tell me this
"Pinstriping was not available as an RPO, but was included with Style Trim or Rally Sport."
My car is a true RS so would I read this correct that it would have the D91 stripe as part of the RS option?
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My car is a true RS so would I read this correct that it would have the D91 stripe as part of the RS option?
No, it would have come with the D96 pin stripe.
D91 (the bumble bee stripe) was part of the SS package in early 1967 and not available as a stand alone option for other cars (except the Z28) until March, 1967. Your car was built the 2nd week of November, 1966, before D91 was an available stand alone option, so no, it wouldn't have come with it.
Ed
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guess I'm guilty of drinking the koolaid.
Don't feel bad. A lot of people STILL believe it!
Another wives tail I've heard about the "010" blocks is they were all four bolt main
Yep, another mistake most people make. Only the high HP engines got the 4 bolts mains. The lower HP engines were 2 bolt. However, most truck applications, even the lower HP engines, got 4 bolt.
Ed
Yes, wasn't the 2 or 4 bolt done on the engine assembly line? Or just before? There were set ups to drill either as required by the orders being run.
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Yes, wasn't the 2 or 4 bolt done on the engine assembly line? Or just before?
John or Bergy can elaborate, but yes, all the final machining was done after the block was received from Flint/Saginaw (or Tonawanda) and just before the block was assembled. Exactly "where" in the plant I don't know, but John's SMALL-BLOCK ASSEMBLY OVERVIEW (http://www.camaros.org/pdf/flint_engine.pdf) article has a lot of great information in it.
Ed
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Great topic
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My L30/M20 RS is an Los 11B car as well. Just dropping in to say hi!