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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: william on May 07, 2017, 12:36:48 PM

Title: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: william on May 07, 2017, 12:36:48 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-RS-/252924066998?hash=item3ae372fcb6:g:BWoAAOSwblZZDoyu&vxp=mtr

124379N703347

Window sticker is a poor repro. CBC 'copy' is a joke. Sure like to see a better pic of the body tag.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: bcmiller on May 07, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Best I could do on grabbing a cowl tag pic.  I don't like it.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: HOT3O2 on May 07, 2017, 02:31:24 PM
The window sticker states a chambered exhaust system. Was that even available that late in the year?
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: william on May 07, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
Chambered exhaust was discontinued as an option as of May 19, 1969. N703347 was final-assembled on or about October 29, 1969. There are several other errors on the repro window sticker.

For all the bloviating about 'correct' [9 mentions] and awards won, several restoration errors are present.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: KurtS on May 08, 2017, 02:37:41 PM
I remember seeing the car 17 years ago. Nicely done.
I didn't like the engine stamp, but that was before digital cameras.  I'd like to see a pic of it.
Docs are a joke, so is the tag....
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: abiddle on May 08, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
Is this the wrong door for this build date?
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: william on May 08, 2017, 04:27:08 PM
Here's my list:

LH door is earlier production, missing the FMVSS label positioning beads
door latches should have overspray
chrome screws on door jamb vents
Z/28 floor mats?
incorrect lock nut on shift lever
has bright pedal trim, does not have Z23 special interior group
photos show shifter in neutral, ignition in lock position
ducted hood seal incorrectly installed
spare tire wheel incorrectly painted
rear stripes extend too far into trunk lip
exhaust system missing resonators, aftermarket muffler
140 speedo n/a on Z/28
excessive firewall stripe overspray for a late production car
service replacement polished rocker covers
repro dash top
poor fitting headlamp doors, VE3 bumper
ad text mentions "blue light" stereo radio; should have later style yellow light

I admit much of this is nit-picky. So much for awards and "...tremendous detail and dedication to correctness." Biggest hurdle now, both tags have been off the car. Someone will have to determine if they went back on the same body. And let's see some drivetrain stampings.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: BULLITT65 on May 08, 2017, 05:40:42 PM
Pretty thorough list William.
Question shouldn't this car have the RS turn signal lamps? or was that just early cars that got those?
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: jdv69z on May 08, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
So is my Z the only one on the planet with a std black steering wheel?  ;D
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: BULLITT65 on May 08, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
Yours is the only one, with it installed... :)
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: william on May 08, 2017, 08:48:18 PM
Question shouldn't this car have the RS turn signal lamps? or was that just early cars that got those?

"Bright accented parking lights" on RS were dropped from the 1969 Camaro dealer order form as of December 1968; from dealer ordering info as of January 1969. There must have been a supply in the pipe line as they are known to have been installed on even non-RS cars as late as February. But that's about it and the car in question would not have had them.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: BULLITT65 on May 08, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
That info is probably on the CRG somewhere, I appreciate the info, as I am on the hunt for 1. Thanks
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: william on May 08, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
Heck I don't even know if that is on the site.

I see you are looking for 3192477 front shocks. They were still in the P & A Manual as of the mid-'80s when I did my Z/28-RS so I ordered a pair. The boxes had that number but the shocks inside were some superseded number. Fit and looked OE but not what I wanted.

Be careful if you find "NOS."
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: BULLITT65 on May 08, 2017, 10:09:27 PM
Again great info. Doubt I have the budget for NOS, but I will remember that advice. Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: FortLangleyBC on May 09, 2017, 03:49:28 AM
So is my Z the only one on the planet with a std black steering wheel?  ;D

I have the second :)
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: Kelley W King on May 09, 2017, 11:18:27 AM
The car is nice. I would like to have it. But the price does not reflect what it really is.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: X33RS on May 09, 2017, 12:48:54 PM
So is my Z the only one on the planet with a std black steering wheel?  ;D

I have the second :)

I have the 3rd
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker, maybe more
Post by: BillOhio on May 10, 2017, 03:34:27 AM
4th!