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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: cook_dw on March 22, 2017, 11:05:20 AM

Title: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: cook_dw on March 22, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/rare-find-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28-sees-daylight-40-years-storage/ (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/rare-find-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28-sees-daylight-40-years-storage/)
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: maroman on March 22, 2017, 11:36:52 AM
Hubcaps??
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: cook_dw on March 22, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
Better yet..  Look at the vin & build date and the location of the stamp on the block.. 


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Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: abiddle on March 22, 2017, 02:38:29 PM
Your animated gifs are awesome.
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: cook_dw on March 22, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
(https://m.popkey.co/ccf29a/pDb38_s-200x150.gif)
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: Mike S on March 22, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
Doesn't look to me like the same gang stamp was used on the engine and transmission(?)

Mike
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: jdv69z on March 22, 2017, 03:16:18 PM
When did Norwood start stamping the VIN near the oil filter?
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: cook_dw on March 22, 2017, 03:20:44 PM
Dec of 68..
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Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 22, 2017, 03:21:17 PM
CRG info indicates that began (for Norwood) in December; but may have occurred anytime for VN cars..  This one is a Norwood car (per the cowl data).
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: 68 Ragtop on March 22, 2017, 03:25:46 PM
The engine partial VIN is not even close to matching the transmission partial VIN. Different font, spacing, and poor alignment. Looks like it was added after reading a few early books on how to identify a Z/28.
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: jdv69z on March 22, 2017, 03:28:14 PM
Dec of 68..

Uh huh!
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Post by: BULLITT65 on March 22, 2017, 05:42:55 PM
The engine partial VIN is not even close to matching the transmission partial VIN. Different font, spacing, and poor alignment. Looks like it was added after reading a few early books on how to identify a Z/28.

I would be precautions in assuming they need to match. I have seen more than a few that look different but are original to the car.
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: cook_dw on March 22, 2017, 06:16:36 PM
I have been told the engine and trans are considered legit..  Although I do not agree but I am dumb so use your own judgement.. 
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 23, 2017, 12:41:20 AM
I wouldn't buy it if JM himself were swearing on this Koran that it was 'factory installed'...  :)
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: 68 Ragtop on March 23, 2017, 04:49:03 AM
I have been told the engine and trans are considered legit..  Although I do not agree but I am dumb so use your own judgement.. 

The trans looks good and the DZ stamp and pad finish look good. It just looks like somebody tried to add a little extra proof with a home made stamp in the rough cast area. In hindsight it probably detracts from authenticating it.
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Post by: KurtS on March 23, 2017, 06:29:03 AM
I haven't heard from JM on this one, but the stamps look OK.
The stories....
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Post by: z28z11 on March 24, 2017, 12:13:14 AM
You're right - the stories -

If the owner bought every part for the car in NOS, he ought to have a bigger pile than what he shows.

Hope he bought some NOS bumper guards to replace the ones removed when they installed the 'wheel covers'. Are those flat top pistons I spy in the (original?) block sitting upright ? Maybe just my old eyes -

I apologize - not nice to down somebody's Camaro he is obviously proud of - plus, my favorite paint code. But then again, the stories - how many of us at 15 or 16 years old were driving around in a 425 horse 66 Vette looking for a Camaro to buy ? Or is my math worse than my vision ?

Regards,
Steve
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Post by: BULLITT65 on March 24, 2017, 02:19:02 AM
Steve you are spot on with your observation. I was also thinking who has a big block Vette and is looking to buy a Z when they are 15? I am guessing the story must be wrong since the math doesn't seem right.
Has any original owner bought a 69 Z more stripped down ? (like this one)
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: jdv69z on March 24, 2017, 12:56:58 PM
What happened to the driver's side fender? I thought it said parked in 1976? The fender's not damaged in that pic, but it is in the current one?
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Post by: JKZ27 on March 24, 2017, 01:07:22 PM
What happened to the driver's side fender? I thought it said parked in 1976? The fender's not damaged in that pic, but it is in the current one?
I saw that too.
Also, I think it says he went to the dealer and bought everything that was "in stock" for a 69 Z, thus the small pile of parts.
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Post by: z28z11 on March 25, 2017, 12:28:56 AM
What happened to the driver's side fender? I thought it said parked in 1976? The fender's not damaged in that pic, but it is in the current one?
I saw that too.
Also, I think it says he went to the dealer and bought everything that was "in stock" for a 69 Z, thus the small pile of parts.

Even that's off - I started buying around parts around 1980, and I danged sure ended up with a lot more than he did (and I didn't spend half my paycheck on 'em. He must not have made a lot as a welder -

I'll stop - I promise. I don't mind fiction, but it gets too much to bear sometimes.

Regards,
Steve

Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 25, 2017, 03:22:02 AM
It's pretty sad, but Hot Rod Magazine is having difficulty staying afloat these days; I recently got an offer of 3 yrs for $20... and I don't think I'm going to accept it.  They apparently are struggling for newsworthy automotive articles based on this and other 'online' articles I've seen.
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: maroman on March 25, 2017, 04:45:53 AM
I JUST bit on that same offer. I had quit Hot Rod several years ago, got tired of junkyard builds and Power Tour. I've gotten two so far and they are pretty good. The way I look at it I don't have to get too many more to get my $$'s worth.
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 25, 2017, 03:34:24 PM
I am more of car craft type of guy, but $20 for for 3 years is a good deal. I think thats only for current subscribers though.
Title: Re: Ummmmmmm Huuuuhhhhhhh.....
Post by: z28z11 on March 25, 2017, 03:56:46 PM
Wonder if they'd take trade ins of 35-40 years of issues ?

I subscribed since 1970 - they got so thin on content I gave it up several years ago. Same with most all of them, Super Chevy included. No more faithful reader -

Regards,
Steve