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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: jdv69z on March 09, 2017, 09:28:18 PM
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Any markings or way to verify 67/68 original GM rear spoiler from reproductions?
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Any markings or way to verify 67/68 original GM rear spoiler from reproductions?
There are no original GM rear spoilers for '67. ;)
Paul
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Well it's supposed to be a 68 spoiler. I didn't even think about 67. ::) Actually, it's for my early 69, which now has the longer 69 spoiler, in case I ever go back to original. Is that confusing enough? :P
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So basically you want to know how to identify an 'early 69 spoiler' (ie. a '68 spoiler) from a reproduction, because you want to look for and purchase a correct early '69 spoiler once you find one? :)
I would suppose there would be a PN on the underside of it, or other factory markings, but since I've never had one loose in my hands... I cannot tell you what those are.. but I'm sure someone here can do so.. :)
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Would the AIM have that part number?
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The irony here is that the guy I bought the Z from had the original spoiler/deck lid when I bought the car. It's on a list of extra parts I was supposed to get. For some reason he replaced the deck lid and spoiler when he had the car painted. But in the thrill of the moment at that time, I over looked it and so did he. That was 35 years ago. So I would have had the original spoiler/deck lid with original paint. I did get the original flat hood, which is still original paint. Oh well. :-\
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Maybe he still has it? or his family does? have any contact info for him?
I know another member that has a 69 Z and left the flat hood when he purchased it. this was like 10-15 years ago, and he says the seller still has it.
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I also have a long spoiler on my 69 SS, but my Nov 68 build rear antenna car shouldn't have a spoiler. I planned to remove it during the restoration/paint, but my wife and the shop guys convinced me to keep it. I'm sure I will hear about it at the car shows...but will it be smarty-pants "You're car should have the short spoiler" or smarty-pants "You're car shouldn't have a spoiler"...
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Depends on how smart the on-lookers are... right?
By chance if someone realizes the rear antenna/rear spoiler "no no", are they really going to want to stick it to you and check your trim tag?
I doubt it. In fact it would not surprise me, if nobody noticed.
(The only way I could see someone saying anything is if they saw you pop the lid, and were extra careful about hitting the antenna)
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Yeah, but I know. :-[ If I had the short spoiler, it might not rub the antenna like the long one does. Anyone want to trade an original long spoiler for a short one?
Serious question though. If I did find a short spoiler, are the holes the same as the long one?
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if you re at the point where you can run one or not, go with what you like not your wife or the shop guys.
Look at a bunch of images with/without, and long vs short.
If you know yourself, and you don't want any detractors for your own piece of mind, don't run it.
Weather you go short spoiler, or no spoiler you will be in the minority of 69 owners, since most non spoiler cars, jump right up to the long spoiler wether it was an early car or not. Just like cowl hoods, most first gens have them now.
I think the car would stand out more without it, but easy for me to say since both came with my car.
I am looking for another first gen, and plan on running the flat hood, and hopefully no spoilers. (changes the look of the car)
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I'm beyond the point of decision, holes weren't welded and paint is done. Putting the car back together as we speak. I like the spoiler look, but I know everyone else has one too. I've joined the 69 vintage camaro FB page, seeing all the spoiler-less original pictures makes me regret acquiescing. If it bugs me enough in the future, I'll take it off and repaint the deck lid.
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Do what makes you happy brother!, and enjoy life ;)
how about a link to that FB page?
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Yeah, but I know. :-[ If I had the short spoiler, it might not rub the antenna like the long one does. Anyone want to trade an original long spoiler for a short one?
Serious question though. If I did find a short spoiler, are the holes the same as the long one?
Now that is a great question that hopefully someone can answer.. :)
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You would think so or there would have to be a redesign or different punch/drill location on the deck lid. (Cook has the info on those cornered)
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Do what makes you happy brother!, and enjoy life ;)
how about a link to that FB page?
Might be the best thing on facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1107809199248497/
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Holes are the same.
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Holes are the same.
and the antenna will still hit the spoiler..
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Paint another deck lid to match, or a flat hood for that matter. a buddy and four bolts can change the look of your car in minutes.
VT
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Just what I was thinking. X2
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I'm officially looking for an original 69 trunk lid without spoiler holes in the Knoxville area. I like that idea, and now is the time to get it painted with the car.
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Good luck, I tried to find one for Bentley. I would think at this point in time 85% of original 69 decklids have a spoiler now. You have to find a clean straight one and weld up the holes.
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Deck Lid? They are out there. Most will need you to dig deep and pony up a kings ransom. There is an inverse proportion of cost vs. time I have found. If you have time, one may come along for the "right" price. Andy, sounds like you don't have that time luxury and will most probably have to pay. Good luck. When I was looking I was quoted prices of $700-$1500. I ended up driving 3 hours each way, but Got a cherry, virgin lid cheap!
Knowing you need one now, I'll start looking to help you.
And Austin, 85% of original deck lids are gone through attrition. Then, 14.9% have spoilers. Leaving .1% usable non spoiler lids*. *=SWAG
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Wow!! 7 to 15 hundred, NFW. I have seen many in the Los Angeles area swap meets 1 to 2 hundred for a good one, much less for a drilled or bent edges one.
Do people actually pay that? I know some people will ask that but I figured they just want something to take with them when they go.
VT
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My bodyshop guy said he would have a difficult time welding up the spoiler holes properly. He didn't say he couldn't do it, but what I "heard" was to get a decklid that didn't have holes.
I'll check around local, and if I don't find something reasonable then I'll just wait and keep searching. I'm not paying that much just to have a spoiler-less option, I agree that's too nuts even for me. I'll keep an ear open. The car has had a spoiler on it 99% of its life, the original owners remember the spoiler, so I can be patient.
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Those non spoiler deck lids are more rare than an assembly line ZL-2 hood now a days....lol
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Bullitt,
Are you still in So. Cal. ? Pomona's monthly swap meet is coming up, do you ever go?
VT
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Yes I am still in SoCal. Been to it a couple of times. in the last couple of years. I am new to SoCal, so maybe it was a great meet back in the day. The size is good, but I wasn't impressed with the selection of parts or the prices. If it was on par with Portland Oregon's meet at the track/fairgrounds, or even Turlock I might make more of effort to go. God knows I still need parts. My 55 isn't going to build itself... ;D
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I agree, last time I was there WAS back in the day. But it is fairly close to you, that's why I was wondering. Have you tried the Long Beach swap meet? Smaller, but I find a lot of good parts there.
I love the guys doing "restorations" with "all new parts" dumping original parts for everything that is reproduced. I have heard the same venders will ask more for the same parts at Pomona
because they can. Are you aware of the Big 3 swap meet in San Diego once a year? large and diverse.
VT
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Sent you a pm, (sorry for the hijack)
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I dun never see'd a 55 Camareo befor..........
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I dun never see'd a 55 Camareo befor..........
.. an early prototype.. :)
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VTF678 wrote:
" I love the guys doing "restorations" with "all new parts" dumping original parts for everything that is reproduced."
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I wonder how much time will elapse before the 'smarter' of those fellas realize how dumb that was???
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Bullitt: What are you needing for your '55? If it's original parts you need, I probably have it.. just come to Bama... :)
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I dun never see'd a 55 Camareo befor..........
.. an early prototype.. :)
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VTF678 wrote:
" I love the guys doing "restorations" with "all new parts" dumping original parts for everything that is reproduced."
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I wonder how much time will elapse before the 'smarter' of those fellas realize how dumb that was???
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Bullitt: What are you needing for your '55? If it's original parts you need, I probably have it.. just come to Bama... :)
It was a precursor to the Camaro. Just something Chevrolet used to test out an idea of a 265 C.I. V8 and see if it would take off....