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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: HawkX66 on February 28, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
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It *might* be worth close to that much (in terms of increased value to his car) to the person who owns '69 Z28 (VIN 124379N680067) which doesn't have it's original motor - assuming this one IS the correct motor...
... but to anyone else? NO WAY... I wouldn't give $800 for it.
PS. I'd guess that the original cars that the great majority of these 'orphan' engines came in... are mostly crushed down to scrap metal by now.
Hey Gary, Antique comment I know, but... I'm sure you're right for a majority of orphans, but ours is just one example of a 69 Z28 without it's original block. There are a ton still out there and I'd say there's a pretty good chance that there are quite a few original blocks just waiting to match up.
I'm still looking for our Z28 block, 597037. I'd love to have it obviously, but if I found it for $8k he could keep looking for another sucker...
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It *might* be worth close to that much (in terms of increased value to his car) to the person who owns '69 Z28 (VIN 124379N680067) which doesn't have it's original motor - assuming this one IS the correct motor...
... but to anyone else? NO WAY... I wouldn't give $800 for it.
PS. I'd guess that the original cars that the great majority of these 'orphan' engines came in... are mostly crushed down to scrap metal by now.
Hey Gary, Antique comment I know, but... I'm sure you're right for a majority of orphans, but ours is just one example of a 69 Z28 without it's original block. There are a ton still out there and I'd say there's a pretty good chance that there are quite a few original blocks just waiting to match up.
I'm still looking for our Z28 block, 597037. I'd love to have it obviously, but if I found it for $8k he could keep looking for another sucker...
Dave, I didn't know you owned a Z28 in addition to your big block '69... :) Congratulations!
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It *might* be worth close to that much (in terms of increased value to his car) to the person who owns '69 Z28 (VIN 124379N680067) which doesn't have it's original motor - assuming this one IS the correct motor...
... but to anyone else? NO WAY... I wouldn't give $800 for it.
PS. I'd guess that the original cars that the great majority of these 'orphan' engines came in... are mostly crushed down to scrap metal by now.
Hey Gary, Antique comment I know, but... I'm sure you're right for a majority of orphans, but ours is just one example of a 69 Z28 without it's original block. There are a ton still out there and I'd say there's a pretty good chance that there are quite a few original blocks just waiting to match up.
I'm still looking for our Z28 block, 597037. I'd love to have it obviously, but if I found it for $8k he could keep looking for another sucker...
Dave, I didn't know you owned a Z28 in addition to your big block '69... :) Congratulations!
Yep, had it since the late 80s. X77. NOM obviously. Body is solid, but needs some work. It's still in black primer. Someone at some time changed out or painted the grill too.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5565/31495229442_5ebd8818d9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PZ8hrh)
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Dave, is that a factory ZL2 car?
Paul
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Dave, is that a factory ZL2 car?
Paul
It is Paul, but it sports a cross ram now.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2900/33048821861_50f59f456b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SmpRkt)
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Dave, is that a factory ZL2 car?
Paul
I thought it was kind of different having a vinyl top too. Cortez silver. I wouldn't post in this thread again, but something tells me it's not hurting the sale @ $8k lol...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2922/33048821891_42b708c4b1.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SmpRkZ)
Here's a similar finished one I found. Black grill to boot! I don't know if that one is real though.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/569/33050447811_b7519d55ce_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SmybF6)
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Very nice, Dave. She is going to be a beauty. Cortez Silver is a great color!
Paul
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I agree... :)
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Would Daves car have had spoilers originally?
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Would Daves car have had spoilers originally?
D80 didn't show up on the trim tag until later in the year if that's what you're asking.
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I understand that. So you just have to go off of clues like the tension rods iin the trunk right?
Also what is the date on your hood?
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I understand that. So you just have to go off of clues like the tension rods iin the trunk right?
Also what is the date on your hood?
I would imagine so. I never bothered to look at the rods. I always figured Z28s were always D80. I'm sure that's not the case though. I'm not sure on the hood date. The car is back east.
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Did all 1969 Camaros have different size tension rods if the car had a spoiler or just cars built later?
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Did all 1969 Camaros have different size tension rods if the car had a spoiler or just cars built later?
All 69s, and only if it is a factory original spoiler equipped car.
Paul
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Dave, that looks like a fun car!
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Dave, that looks like a fun car!
I like playing with my big block car. ;-)
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Dave, that looks like a fun car!
I like playing with my big block car. ;-)
Do you like lugging it on and off your extra heavy duty engine stand? :)
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I always figured Z28s were always D80. I'm sure that's not the case though.
Lots of Z's did not have D80. Mine didn't. But they all do now!
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It seems that just about every Camaro you see at a car show today has ducted hood & spoilers...Joe
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Some of that is guys adding it to their Camaro (all first gen), but specifically with the Z, there is a wide spread belief that all Z cars came with spoilers and the cowl hood. I bet if you asked people and owners at a all around car show, most people wouldn't even know that the cowl hood was only an option on the 69. Just like people think all Z cars came with the console gauges.
You could have a very original low option Z, next to a highly optioned clone, and most people would flock to the clone, and not be aware that it was a creation, but discount the original and think it is just wearing the emblems, because it doesn't have the eye catching options.( just my 2 cents, from what I have observed)
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It seems that just about every Camaro you see at a car show today has ducted hood & spoilers...Joe
Some of that is guys adding it to their Camaro (all first gen), but specifically with the Z, there is a wide spread belief that all Z cars came with spoilers and the cowl hood. I bet if you asked people and owners at a all around car show, most people wouldn't even know that the cowl hood was only an option on the 69. Just like people think all Z cars came with the console gauges.
You could have a very original low option Z, next to a highly optioned clone, and most people would flock to the clone, and not be aware that it was a creation, but discount the original and think it is just wearing the emblems, because it doesn't have the eye catching options.( just my 2 cents, from what I have observed)
Not that they couldn't have been added in the 70s or early 80s before we got it, but I have no reason to believe that's the case. The rear end, transmission and everything else, but the block is original to the car. Original heads etc. It's far from a "survivor", but a majority of it is original.
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Some of that is guys adding it to their Camaro (all first gen), but specifically with the Z, there is a wide spread belief that all Z cars came with spoilers and the cowl hood. I bet if you asked people and owners at a all around car show, most people wouldn't even know that the cowl hood was only an option on the 69. Just like people think all Z cars came with the console gauges.
You could have a very original low option Z, next to a highly optioned clone, and most people would flock to the clone, and not be aware that it was a creation, but discount the original and think it is just wearing the emblems, because it doesn't have the eye catching options.( just my 2 cents, from what I have observed)
Start the original one up.. and let it idle a bit.. :) that should help!~
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Well you know what I mean. As we all know there are no base model first gen Camaros, out there now. Seems every Camaro is a SS, Z/28, or badged as something it originally wasn't.
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Well you know what I mean. As we all know there are no base model first gen Camaros, out there now. Seems every Camaro is a SS, Z/28, or badged as something it originally wasn't.
That's why I'm not a big fan of clones using the Z28, SS, Yenko badges etc. Build a nice car that looks exactly like what you'd like to have, but why badge it as something it isn't? Enjoy it for what it is. JMO...
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Well I understand part of it now a days. With the prices of some of these cars getting ridiculous, I can see if a guy on a budget wanted a Z, SS, Yenko, pace car etc.
and he had a plain jane, I can see swapping a motor and switching some emblems, or what ever. (Some of these guys are just honest low budget guys)
I think there has been so much of this though, it has muddied the water, and most people don't know real vs re-creation.
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Well I understand part of it now a days. With the prices of some of these cars getting ridiculous, I can see if a guy on a budget wanted a Z, SS, Yenko, pace car etc.
and he had a plain jane, I can see swapping a motor and switching some emblems, or what ever. (Some of these guys are just honest low budget guys)
I think there has been so much of this though, it has muddied the water, and most people don't know real vs re-creation.
That side of it I completely understand. If I didn't get lucky enough to get the ones I have, I would build a kick ass Camaro, maybe a clone, but I wouldn't badge it.
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I have a dart block 383 that I keep looking for a clean car to put it in. If I found a base car I would leave without emblems or stripes. Probably swap out the transmission and axle but the rest would stay a sleeper!!
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I agree with you guys. If I were to build a clone, or whatever you wanted to call it, I would just do the mechanical stuff and leave the stripes, badging, etc. off it, would probably put on a cowl hood though but only if it was a '69. My '69 Z came originally from the factory with no spoilers and no cowl hood, but some previous owner added these to it.
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Just my 2 cents. Of all the Camaro's I own, none of them has a cowl hood. The 67 is all original with one repaint with new seat covers and carpet. The 68 SS BB does have the rear spoiler because the holes were all ready there. I built the other 68 coupe to look like a Z28 because I did not think I would ever own one and the Seafrost green looks so much better with white rally stripes. Yes I did put the rear spoiler on. The 68 Z28 that I got last year will be built as close to original as I can. No console no spoiler so it will be one of those that people walk by looking at the "Blinged" out clones.
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My cowl hood was added 35 years ago, and I'm not taking if off!. I like it too much. The original flat hood with the original paint is in the garage. Car always had spoilers. Console, but no gauges. And standard black steering wheel with the RS center emblem. I know that's "rare" today! :D