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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: muslcars on December 28, 2016, 02:49:08 AM
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Does any supplier reproduce the ignition key removal instruction sleeve that was on the drivers sunvisor of the new 69 Camaro?
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My car still had the original one on the visor when I purchased it in 1976.... :) (I'm sure I didn't toss it, but not sure where I tucked it away...?)...
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Yes, many of the usual vendors offer a reproduction, here's just one example:
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/16788/Camaro-Steering-column-ignition-start-1969/
Not sure if there was more than one style, nor if these are accurate.
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:)Thank You
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FOR HALF THE PRICE (http://www.parts123.com/corvettecentral/dyndetail.pta?catalog=0000050g&ukey=13125) and yes, there were a few different versions, depending on when your car was built.
Ed
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actually, that's the 'right price'... Heartbeat items are always TWICE the price... :)
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FOR HALF THE PRICE (http://www.parts123.com/corvettecentral/dyndetail.pta?catalog=0000050g&ukey=13125) and yes, there were a few different versions, depending on when your car was built.
Ed
Bert, if you don't mind could you break down the differences based on production dates?
I've noticed on my 12D 69 Z there are glue marks on the driver sun visor where something used to be there. I've wanted to replace it but unsure "exactly" what it should be.
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Man, I just KNEW someone was going to ask!
I don't have a ton of information on these sleeves, but here's what I DO know.
There were at least two sleeves used in 1969 (possibly a 3rd but I can't verify that).
The first design sleeve (see top two pictures - front and rear) was used at the start of production and had the "GUIDE TO THE NEW GM IGNITION LOCK SYSTEM" written on the back of the card, with the front of the card having the actual starting instructions. The date on this sleeve was 7-9-68.
The second design sleeve (see bottom two pictures - front and rear) was used starting approx October, 1968, and had the "GUIDE TO THE NEW GM IGNITION LOCK SYSTEM" written on the front of the card with the back of the card having the "ENGINE STARTING PROCEDURES".
There were different part numbers for these sleeves, depending on what vehicle they were going in, so the AIM only references the "Chart". The pictures I've included are only references and may not be the exact part number for the Camaro application.
Ed
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Here is a photo of my original sleeve from my 03E Z28.
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Thanks Bertfam,
That's more in depth than I anticipated, thanks for taking the time. When you say sleeve, I assume you mean this is a folded card that simply slides over the sun visor?
Usually what I find (and actually have on a couple of my cars) are starting procedures that are glued to the sunvisor. Not sure if that's the case with the 69 Z or not, but it has very particular glue marks where there was something at one time. Thought that might be it....
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There were two things attached to the driver side sun visor in 1969. The first was the Ignition lock/starting instructions sleeve that was slid in place. I don't remember if it was glued down or not, but the AIM doesn't show any glue used, so I'm assuming not.
The second was the 9432022 "SLEEVE-IN-TRANSIT CARD L.D." sleeve. I have NO CLUE what this was, but it's referenced in the AIM (UPC 0, sheet B1, item 9). I'd LOVE to know what this was! No glue shown in the AIM for this either but the notes show it was added on 9(?)-3-69. Maybe in anticipation of the 1970 model year? Anyone have one of these on their sun visor?
Ed
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Ed, sure glad you are back and sharing all the great wealth of information that you have again!
Thank you, sir!
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Thanks Ed,
It could have been something else someone stuck on there at one time. I was only guessing since I have other cars with OEM stuff glued on there, that it might have been something you guys were talking about.
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Ed, sure glad you are back and sharing all the great wealth of information that you have again!
Thanks Len. Glad to be back.
Ed
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Ok so how accurate is the reproduction? it looks like they re-created the 2nd version maybe?
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Ok so how accurate is the reproduction? it looks like they re-created the 2nd version maybe?
That I can't tell you. I haven't seen any of the repops close-up, but what I see online makes me think they're like just about every other reproduction part out there. Close, but not exact.
Ed
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Recently during this discussion, I took a quick look for the instruction sleeve (that was on my visor when purchased in Apr 1976 and removed from my visor and stored sometime in the early 80's). I couldn't find it then, so I ordered a couple of the (69-72) Corvette sleeves from Corvette Central. Well, yesterday while looking for something else over in my shop, I FOUND the original sleeve from the Camaro - sticking inside an old Chilton's Camaro Repair and tune up guide!
So here is a side by side comparison of the 'Corvette Sleeve - repro' and my Camaro sleeve - original.. front and back. The differences I noted were 1) Size - the Corvette sleeve is larger for the larger corvette visor? and 2) the PN's differ by '1' (3964573 for the Corvette and 3964572 for Camaro). Both are dated 10-2-68. The textual information and diagrams are both sized exactly the same - but the Corvette is on a larger sized sleeve.
Note: The date/PN on the sleeve from my 09C Camaro is exactly the same as that posted previously by Terry69RSZ28 from his 03E Camaro, implying there was no change between those periods, and possibly no change from the date on those sleeves (2 Oct 68) until at least mid-Sept 69 and probably since that's so late, no change the rest of the production year.
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Nice to find the original! Hopefully you elevate it's status to something more special than a Chiltons bookmark. :)
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:) .. Well, chiltons did *preserve* it without further deterioration for 35+ yrs... :)
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Size - the Corvette sleeve is larger for the larger corvette visor?
Well, I have no clue why the Corvette sleeve is longer. My 69 Corvette visor is 4.5" deep and my 68 Camaro is 5" deep so the longer visor "should" be on the Camaro! (Someone check their 69 Camaro visor and see what it measures)
Ed
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5-1/4 width on the 69 visor...Joe
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To continue... There were at least two (possibly three) steering column interlock warning stickers used as well.
The first (see top picture) was used from the start of production until approx late September or early October, 1968, and had a lot more information on it than the second (see bottom picture). A third sticker may have been used but I don't know what it looks like or the date it started. However I believe ALL these column interlock stickers were discontinued late in 1969 when the column rotating collar was discontinued.
Another research topic!!
Ed
Great pics an info as usual Ed.
So do you know the build dates of the cars in the photos of the steering columns?
(I know this is a tough one since the stickers got pulled)
When you say they discontinued the sticker in late 69 because of the rotating column, do you mean when the production of the 69 camaro ended, or do you think they stopped using the sticker prior to that?
thanks ED
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So do you know the build dates of the cars in the photos of the steering columns?
No, sorry but I don't.
When you say they discontinued the sticker in late 69 because of the rotating column, do you mean when the production of the 69 camaro ended, or do you think they stopped using the sticker prior to that?
The exact date is unknown, but since production of the Camaro (and the Corvette) continued until the end of the 1969 calendar year, it was probably before that. I would guess August or September of 1969. We need to have some late Camaro owners (August, September, October, etc... of 1969) tell us if they have the rotating column or not.
Ed
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Size - the Corvette sleeve is larger for the larger corvette visor?
Well, I have no clue why the Corvette sleeve is longer. My 69 Corvette visor is 4.5" deep and my 68 Camaro is 5" deep so the longer visor "should" be on the Camaro! (Someone check their 69 Camaro visor and see what it measures)
Ed
I was curious, and since I have both 69 Camaro and 69 Corvette sitting in the basement I borrowed my wife's seamstress tape and went down and measured *around* each of the visors. Basically you are right, the camaro visor is also larger *around* at 11-1/4 inches than the Corvette at 10-3/4". Since the sleeves go around the visors, the circumference *around* the visors is a better measure than the width.
Note: It also should be noted that the Repro Corvette sleeve which I pictured, saying it was 'larger', is provided by CC in 'unglued' fashion, meaning the user could cut/splice(tape) and make the visor sleeve to fit his visor... My camaro sleeve was apparently glued together (on the ends) to form the sleeve with about 1/2" overlap at the glue joint.
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Okay, I was mistaken on the steering column labels (re: the Camaro) so I've removed that reply above. While the rotating collar was used on ALL models in 1969 (except very late Camaros and Corvettes built after approx August of 1969), only the Corvette got the labels. Not sure why, but apparently GM thought Corvette owners were too dumb to figure it out like Camaro, Nova, Chevelle, etc... owners!!
Sorry for the confusion guys.
Ed
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Funny Ed :)