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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dave Siltman on December 15, 2016, 12:54:22 AM
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Hello
Looking for anything related to:
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Dave I moved this from the orphans section to general discussion since we don't allow "looking for" posts in the orphans section.
You can read the requirements for posting in the orphans section HERE (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=1868.0).
Ed
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Yep! Got your email about the mishap. 😐
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I guess I should explain more about my car. Started life as a 396/350 stick and raced as "Super Paranoia" in SS/H by Bill Izykowski the summer of 1969. After that season, Bill sold the car and it was campaigned as "Shangri-La" for a few years in B/S and SS/D by Barry Curran and Bob Moon. I'm searching for anything pertaining to this car as my plans are to return it to as-raced condition. I found the car "hiding in plain sight" after chasing it for a number of years. Currently, the miles are 978. It was featured in the "Hidden Gems" of the Nov. 2015 issue of Muscle Car Review.
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HERE'S AN ARTICLE (http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/977-mile-1969-chevrolet-camaro-drag-car-uncovered/ar-BBmc5Gn) about the car on msn.com
Ed
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Wow.. A 69 Camaro SS with 978 miles! :) (that's about 1000 runs??) :)
We'd all love to see some photos in 'campaign or original' trim??
(Just read the great article on your car posted by Bert which provided some info and photos.... neat story! :)
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Thanks Bert for posting the article. The original 396/350 and Muncie are (I'm guessing) long gone, but I've always said "you just never know". Bill Izykowski (original owner/driver) told me "hurt" the original engine (which by the way, was done at Duffy"s Performance immediately after getting home from Reedman Chevrolet) so they bolted in another as they were in the NHRA points chase. You/We have to remember that the only "matching numbers" racers cared about were the ones the NHRA tech crew scrutinized. Same for the original Muncie (also worked internally with the only street miles from driving back to New Jersey). Spares were always ready and were changed quickly and often. Bill I. was no stranger to the hectic drag racing lifestyle as he campaigned a few 427 Biscaynes (and won class at the Winternationals among others), his last being called "Paranoia", hence the name for the new Camaro Super Stock...."Super Paranoia". I asked him (Bill) why he didn't want to run a COPO with a 427 as he was so used to them (427s).......quickly he told me to "stay away from Jenkins......we were all buddies and we didn't want to face each other". I asked why he chose the 396/350 combo. and he said " the 350 horse and the 325 horse both fell into H (SS/H) so I had a 25 horsepower headstart". He also told me "We went over Jenkins' and studied his car (the '69) and set this one up with a lot of the same stuff". I asked why he sold the car after only one season and he explained to me that rarely did he keep a car too long and he was going to be driving for Joe (Scotto). Bill and I have become good friends and he is a walking wealth of drag racing knowledge, a true gentleman, and a fine human being. I'm honored to call him a friend. Another good one...."We were selling the car and kind of had it sold to a guy from down around Maple Grove (Barry Curran), and we both agreed that he'd take the car if he could see it run and compete. So we go down to Reading for one of Darwin's Stock/Super Stock shows (Darwin Doll ex NHRA Division 1 Tech Director ran his own series of races independent of NHRA points) and the guy is there watching us do real good, REAL GOOD, I won the darn thing and had second thoughts about selling it, but I told Joe I'd drive for him so I went ahead and sold it. That was a real good car, and the guy put a 427 in it and changed class".
I hope I'm not boring all of you with the stories of the car with Bill and his antics, but I'm pretty involved with the nostalgia stuff (I also own a '69 Olds that was an original dealer-sponsored F/S) and frankly, I'm addicted to it! Gotta run for now, but I'll connect some more of the dots if anyone is interested.
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No Bert in this thread, its Ed. He signed his name at the bottom of the post.
Oh, and you are NOT boring us with stories. We like to hear about cars like this!!!
People forget there is cool down time and drive time back to the pits, etc. but I supposed it COULD be about 1000 runs - if the speedometer was hooked up. Many cars drag cars never had them hooked up while running. Ours never did. :)
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Man, I'm making all kinds of mistakes: posting wrong, calling Ed another name, I need to get it together here! Normally, one run of a 1/4 drag strip takes a little over a mile, depending on where the team is set up in the pits. By the time the car is driven to the staging lanes, does a burn-out, goes down the 1/4 mile track, slows down after "hitting the stripes", and returns to their pit area, a pretty good amount of real estate has been covered. As for the speedo/odo cable, I never asked Bill, Barry Curran, or Bob Moon if they had it connected, but I can only tell you that the one in my Oldsmobile was ALWAYS hooked up as it was still a "new" car in the dealership's inventory. I have copies of every title issued for the Camaro and the mileage indicated is chronologically correct and coded as "actual and accurate" on each one of those titles. I've spoken with several people who knew the car and they always referred to it as "the one with the real low miles".
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Cool. Sounds like you pretty much know the history of the car.
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Dave.. Took me a second to put 2 & 2 together.. Ive seen your posts over on SYC but dont recall ever seeing anything about the Camaro before now.. Very cool and I know I am very interested in hearing the stories.. Post pics..!!..
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No Bert in this thread, its Ed.
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Actually, to get off-topic for a few seconds, I DO answer to "Bert"!
Many, MANY (too many to count!) years ago, when I first got my commission in the Navy, I was assigned a room at the New London Sub Base BOQ (Bachelor Officer Quarters) with another ensign for submarine training. His name was Ernie Clarke. Great guy Ernie was. Kind of a short, stocky guy (around 5' 5" tall, and almost as wide) with short spiky hair. I wasn't that tall (5'10"), but I WAS fairly lanky and skinny. Well, it didn't take long before people began to take our names (Ed "Bertrand" - shortened to "Bert", and "Ernie" Clark), and our amazing resemblances to the Sesame Street characters, to start calling us "Bert & Ernie"!
After we both graduated sub school, we were assigned the same boat, and again, we shared the same stateroom! "Bert & Ernie" stuck, and to this day, that's how we call each other! So yes, I'll answer to "Bert" with no problems!
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And now back to your regularly scheduled program...
Ed (Bert)
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...and while we are in the Christmas season, a little trivia on how those 2 puppets were named. Those 2 names for the puppets were taken from the cop (Bert) & the taxi driver (Ernie) from the Frank Capra classic, "Its a Wonderful Life". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Wonderful_Life
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a GREAT story, Ed (Bert!).. :) Now I don't feel too badly about sometimes referencing your posts as 'Bert post'.. :)
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My user name (bertfam) is actually my very first email address, bertfam@pcmagic.net (which went out of business 20 years ago), and was an acronym for my family email - Bertrand Family, or bertfam!
Ed
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It all sounds good to me! Yep! That is me with the Olds and the Camaro, too. I'll gladly post some pics when I teach myself how to as the tech stuff usually isn't my friend. I have a bunch of period race shots and will be documenting the transformation back to 1969 via photos. Still in the parts accumulation stage but starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Racing the Olds and buying parts for this project are both costly and time consuming, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Thanks for all the nice comments!
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I just thought of something.....I never told everyone the original colors of my Camaro! Well, it was a quite rare combo of Glacier Blue with a Dover White painted roof. The interior was, and still is Blue standard. The car currently has a correct date-code 396 (not the original) dressed to appear as the original and an automatic trans. There is now a console and floor shifter although it was built with a Muncie 4-speed without a console. My plans are to reinstall a correct date-coded, restored Muncie that never had a VIN stamped into it and either a Hurst Super Shifter and/or (I have both) a Hurst Ram-Rod (both styles saw race time in the car during competition). Recently, I bought this trans and a thoroughly restored date-code correct 4346 Holley 780 from Jerry MacNeish. Also, after a year and a half of negotiating, I recently bought a date-code-correct (for the original race build) L72 427 that has a blank engine pad (as in never had a suffix code stamped, never had a VIN stamped) and that never been decked (milled). This is only the second 512 block I've ever encountered without some identifying codes. I was told that a racer, who also owned a race engine building shop bought all the necessary components to build his own L72 427 rather than buy a complete engine only to tear it down and blueprint it anyway. That's right....512 block, 840 heads, 163 intake, and two 6223 crankshafts (one used in the build and an extra NOS). All of these engine parts are dated from 12/28/68 through 1/18/69. The pertinent info on the data plate-trim tag is: build date 01B, color 5350, trim X22 assembled at Norwood. It also was built with the SS style hood. Bill Izykowski added the Cold Air hood and breather (at that time the term "Cowl Induction" had not yet been coined) and also installed the front and rear spoilers during his initial race build.
Again, please understand that this car is not a COPO, was not a COPO, and never will be a COPO, but my goal is to have two complete running power trains that would've been used in the classes in which the car saw competition.
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My user name (bertfam) is actually my very first email address, bertfam@pcmagic.net (which went out of business 20 years ago), and was an acronym for my family email - Bertrand Family, or bertfam!
Ed
Well I'll be a monkeys uncle.
I knew about your username, but had no idea on you being called Bert in the past!
But for now I am still going to stick to calling you Ed. :)
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Just don't call me late for dinner!
Ed (Bert)
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Deal. Just don't call me Shirley!