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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Research Topics & Reports => Topic started by: ko-lek-tor on July 13, 2016, 01:32:51 AM
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Cook and I tried to learn something about dating of 1969 radiators over on another site, but all we got was insulted by an arrogant member.
What started the debate was a 69 Z radiator with a 'K' date. A radiator dated 'K' was said to be an October radiator by one and November by another. When a 'M' dated radiator picture was produced, the November guy insisted he was still right and insisted that 'I" was used for September and he had 2 70 radiators as proof that 'I' was used.
Are there any 'I' dated radiators out there to prove that letter was used on 69 radiators?
Anyone here have a 70 radiator with an 'I' date?
Can it be said that the 'M' dated example is proof that an 'I ' was not used in at least 69?
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I have a K date radiator out of a 10D car (oct of 68). It is not a Z just a 2 core sb auto Radiator.
Scott
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My radiator from my 10B Oct 68 Z is dated "H"
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Thanks guys. Unless there is already one of these started then Im gonna start a spreadsheet to keep this info in some type of order. Hopefully more will chime in with their info. This is what I would like to record and if someone thinks we need more info then please speak up.
Manufacturing Year, Car build date, engine option (if applicable), Radiator Codes, Radiator Date Code, Rad Tag Code, Picture (if available), and submitter of info.
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Can't say that I have personally seen an I dated radiator in a First Gen Camaro.
Exactly why I wanted to create a spreadsheet.. "Sometimes it takes more than google search to find answers to alot of technical questions." Which didnt work for me in this case.. ::)
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http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#GM-InternalDateCodes
Looking at data, rads are typical stamped dates - no I.
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I am aware and understand Kurt but this has become more of a personal thing for me now.. ;) Just would like to have the info of rads vs build dates of the cars.. Never hurts to collect data. 8)
I would like to add all 3 years not just 69 so please if others wouldn't mind adding their info that would be great. Thanks!
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Another data base? Look at you (Darrell's Research Group), Just kidding bro. I think it would help to have Radiator list as well. Sounds like a new thread topic could be started, similar to the gas tank post. Each guy could post the build date of their car, and the date on the radiator. I would think it would be a good thread, because any first get owner could post if he had the original, and/or figure out if it was date correct, or had been replaced.
You may want to post a pic of where to find the date on the radiator. (similar to the gas tank thread)
;)
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Another data base? Look at you (Darrell's Research Group), Just kidding bro. I think it would help to have Radiator list as well. Sounds like a new thread topic could be started, similar to the gas tank post. Each guy could post the build date of their car, and the date on the radiator. I would think it would be a good thread, because any first get owner could post if he had the original, and/or figure out if it was date correct, or had been replaced.
You may want to post a pic of where to find the date on the radiator. (similar to the gas tank thread)
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Thats kinda the purpose of this thread although it has slightly evolved.. People can see the pic above for the location of the stamping of the date. If someone wants to move this to the Research Topics & Reports Section (I do not have access to start new threads) and delete the unneeded stuff that is fine with me.
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Bryon would it too much trouble to delete the bs in the threads and take the important stuff and start a new thread in the Research Topics and Reports section? And Ill manage it from there.
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Thanks Bryon. Here is what I have so far. Hopefully more will post up. Also waiting on some replies from some.
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Good start, one recommendation would be to put them in order starting with the earliest 67, like the gas tank info. Easier to read that way. thanks Darrell
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'69 RS, 01C Norwood build, base V8, "A" Date Code for Jan
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Austin all I have to do is filter the colmns and its done. Easy function just hadnt done it yet as they data is still pretty small.
Thanks Rich
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1969 Z28, (late) 09C, Norwood build, 302 engine, UH tag, 'H' date code.
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I'll get pics hopefully by the weekend
Scott
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Good picture Gary. My UH tag is right over the date spot in my pics, so I can't see the date yet..
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Darrell,
Here's my 1969 Z/28 NOR 05A.
IH CB / UH
Date Code C
Bryan
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Thanks guys. Lets keep them coming!! All years not just 69 too!! Where's my 7 & 8 love??
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Here's my 1969 X44 NOR 06A. tank stamps, IO, OO tag UY Date Code J
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Wouldn't a radiator date code (J) be a little late for a 06A Built car?
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Wouldn't a radiator date code (J) be a little late for a 06A Built car?
Good question. But probably not too late for a bb 4spd w/air, and then by this date, COPO. Has a manual trans bb ever been documented with ac would probably be a better question?
Just my thoughts, but I will defer to those with experience.
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So that would be "J" of 68?
So the metal tag is how you distinguish between 68 and 69 radiators?
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Thanks copo.
So that would be "J" of 68?
So the metal tag is how you distinguish between 68 and 69 radiators?
http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml (http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml)
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Darrell, I am familiar with the CRG page, what I don't see addressed is how do you tell a late 68 radiator for a early 69 like Jimmy V, vs the same "F,G,H" date for a late 69 built Camaro. I didn't see a metal tag in his pic to help with identifying.
So my question is since there isn't a early production or late production distinction according to the chart, could you in fact use Jimmy V's dated radiator for a early 69 Z, and a late 69Z and it would be correct still?
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This not the original radiator for the car. This radiator is original I purchased for car 15 years ago to replace the incorrect s/b radiator that was in the car when purchased it.
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My 03C,,NOR,,,1968 Z28 radiator-IH,OD-A-UH
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So my question is since there isn't a early production or late production distinction according to the chart, could you in fact use Jimmy V's dated radiator for a early 69 Z, and a late 69Z and it would be correct still?
Currently I cant say with a 100% certainty but until the data reveals something different my gut says yes at this point..
This not the original radiator for the car. This radiator is original I purchased for car 15 years ago to replace the incorrect s/b radiator that was in the car when purchased it.
Thanks for clearing this up be unfortunately Ill have to have a question mark by your info as its not the original one for your car.
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My 12B 69 SS350 has a CB radiator with a K.
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Interested to see as the data point number grows, what is the greatest gap between rad date and car's estimated build date.
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My 69 03d z28 is C
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(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/spooky427/20160717_141600_zpsnowcb5k2.jpg) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/spooky427/media/20160717_141600_zpsnowcb5k2.jpg.html)
this is out of a 69 LF7 327/210 dated 10D. It even had a 8K dated bumper Jack in the trunk
Scott
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Thanks guys!
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Darrell,
Another 68 for you. This car belongs to a friend, dalealan, a CRG newbie.
1968 RS L30 / M35 w/AC, NOR, 01D
3 row @ 23"; IH / OG - UK; Date code M
Bryan
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Thanks Bryan and dalealan.
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1969 Camaro L-78 09D 1968, IL, 00, 68, ZD, R.
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R? Could you get a pic please?
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Hi Darrell just got my new computer can't get the resize down yet.The "R" is on the lower right of tag can't see a date. Vince. Tried to sent you a PM can't get picture to update.
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might be a "J"
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Yep looks like 'J' to me.
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Email me the pic. And I agree with Tim it looks like a J.
cook_dw@hotmail.com
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Come on guys, I know there are more of you who can contribute. 67,68,69, ALL data needed. List date of radiator and type of radiator (tank codes) and build date and year of car. Radiator MUST be ORIGINAL to the CAR.
I have provided 4 original Harrison radiators to 4 original cars, surely others have one if not more.
Any 'I' dated radiators??
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1969 EARLY 09B Z28 H
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Uletagn96oMar9fRU0YyBisdm8j4hlUte9OGGvlmxYil-VgnhAs0U3eAYAFe2LgclWz_mj-BIvMLRsSqSqfFLLbU5EI88aVFOqw1MnTGgVVsk3NezBGLj8vAeZuINW5AsUrbxmLygSm3xnSH-MVShUtwdyofxEl9gKXXvSwruZhJ0ovng399v-jGC_ISjmjPBuvjowjqnJP0xrac2XnV6gzPhPuTcGJwJOv4QWS3Tjriru8r3FiVz6znuJuJK-u6QNxerzW54GPdYLznIBKfiTm5KqDyM8kXfrLNpeTINvF2sKf-Ox3B15HQ3EmeGcdO3P8ZUSc2VEXLiA7TuW92xha0JT6Kb6AQnynRtcD6cmhn_kv1Q9ktSpljkqsQ0pVbkGlYqG890tA2GRP1E-HHRIkiGvoPLJp0UBb0d0uQWcTkHXMsYEAXUtxZA5lbSVH4d23KcBbqfzP_QE2iqsew3d8VNZpekl9EsrjyRsnag5HJi5CRsBdG6FUjnAxp5khLvHOc3B1Viz8NW5rYPo2GTKUqbS8bsxPO9H_nuTTpVaDc1ypic6Ywo35w_EB_GFnaQsGzdfEO9h8UaZNrXvQ3Uc72-h2jTTg=w1920-h1281-no)
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1967 L48 with C60 and M35, LOS build of 11B estimated to be about 11/15/66 (K250 Fisher Body scheduling code), UK tag, OG and HI tanks with a date of K between the O and G. Also has an odd BG small tag along the HI tank which we could not determine its meaning, appears to be some sort of Harrison plant code.
(http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/RAP617983/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1040.jpg) (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/RAP617983/media/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1040.jpg.html)
(http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/RAP617983/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1041_crop-1.jpg) (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/RAP617983/media/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1041_crop-1.jpg.html)
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Thanks guys.
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I bet the BG is a rebuilder's tag when the core was rodded out once.
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How are we looking Darrell, lets see the spread sheet so far.... :D
(Like to see what years/months are being represented, and where we could use more)
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'69 Z NOR 03B Rad code IH, CB Date C Rad Tag UH
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Thanks Darrell. Current list.
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Update of the update ;)
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Thanks Darrell
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Kurt, that BG tag might be a broken clip that the overflow hose clips into. I have a BG tag too and also a AG clip for an overflow hose.
Sorry I can't help on the original radiator. My original RH tank was replaced. I do have a correct replacement radiator with an M date.
Martin
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69 06A- 3rd week L48 Auto/C60 Date code of E tanks are OF, IH
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Hoping to get some more data. Any more factory radiator cars out there? Please?
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Mine has original radiator, and I don't recall the date off hand. Doubt I could get at it well enough to read now since it's in the car.
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Darrell, Would there be anyway to add another column to your chart for Norwood or LA build?
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69 Z/28 12B build, "M" radiator
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/speartech/6-21-16%209%20crop.jpg) (http://s887.photobucket.com/user/speartech/media/6-21-16%209%20crop.jpg.html)
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'68 Z NOR 05C Rad code IH, OD Date E Rad Tag UH
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u448/joshcihos/camaro/20160829_081723_zpsr7oin4os.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/joshcihos/media/camaro/20160829_081723_zpsr7oin4os.jpg.html)
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I would be interested in knowing if the embossed letter for the date is the same for example, a Sept 1968 radiator versus a Sept 1969 radiator.
- Warren
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Warren the few photos I have they appear to be the same.
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My 1969 Z28 built in Van Nuys with an 09D 1968 build date has an original radiator with an "H" date code along with the tag showing CB & IH.
Thanks,
Mike
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My 1967 03C 396/325 auto right tank OM date A UO tag left tank IL
1967 05C 396/375 4sp right tank OL date C UN tag left tank IL
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Thanks guys. Ill add them when I get the chance. Keep the info coming.
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Oh missed one 1967 02C 396/325 auto right tank OM date code L left tank IL
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I still think there may be a way to make Darrell's sheet a Google doc and then be able to display it in a post. Any updates would be reflect in the post so it would always be the most up-to-date version.
A little digging yields: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/143345?hl=en&visit_id=1-636124485046189166-2663748708&rd=1
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Thanks for the 67 info. Kurt I am gonna work on this sometime this weekend. Ill email you if I run into any issues and/or questions.
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Thanks for the 67 info. Kurt I am gonna work on this sometime this weekend. Ill email you if I run into any issues and/or questions.
Darrell, did you ever complete the chart of the last information received and/or suggestion Kurt made. Very useful information so thanks for taking the responsibility to start and complete.
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Well I have a little info to add since I have 1 car in front of me:
early 69 10B Los Angeles Z/28
radiator CB date code G
(I agree with having another column for Nor Vs. L.A. cars., if not to much trouble)
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No I havent. Most updated info.
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Darrell my 8/09D L-78 is LOS. VINCE Z28
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1967 RS Coupe w/ AC: 7/2A, LOS, L30, IH OG, A, no tag
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My 69 RS Z/28: Build date-12B, Plant-Los, Radiator Code-IH CB, Radiator Date-L, Tag-UH.
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I have an original, maybe even for my car but not known 100%. It's an E or F. Since mine was a late May, I think I've even seen an F on some.
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The 69 has IO CH with an "E". No tag 325hp w/air.
The 68 has JH OD with a "M". Tag is UH Z/28
...Joe
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Here is my info.
Prod Year Car Date Engine Rad Code Rad Date Rad Tag
67 04B (LOS) L35/Auto IL/OM C UO
67 05B (NOR) L35/Man IL/OL B missing
Mike
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Sorry for the late response but thanks guys.
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Darrell here is mine.
'68 Z LOS 12D Rad code IH, OD Date K Rad Tag UH
Jim
* Edit Corrected Trim Tag Date Week from E to D. Re. I got my other 1968 Camaro tag confused. To many cars so few available brain cells. (JFW dtd 7/4/17)
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Your trim tag says 12D in the other thread.
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Here's a couple more. I looked to make sure I didn't send them before.
1968 Z/28 02E M date JI-OD. UH tag
1969 ss396 325hp with a/c 09E 1969 E date CH-IO tag gone....Joe
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I believe you have already posted this.
Reply #73
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14762.msg141391#msg141391 (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14762.msg141391#msg141391)
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Sorry. So much for knowing how to read :)
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Ok I was able to check my 08C (late 69) Z/28.
CB tank, dated F.
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Darrell, my radiator tag reads "US".
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I don't think i have replied so here it is. 1968 z28 302 03C. Norwood build. B code on tank OD on rh tank 1H on lh tank. Uh code.
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Thanks guys.
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Yr. 69 06A Nor Z28 lH CB dated C no tag
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LOS 04A of 1969, IH and CB tanks, UH tag, CB tank dated 'L'.
It was inside the car when I bought it, just assumed it was not the original because of the large gap to build week. Any other data showing similar rad dates for LOS cars of that period?
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Boy Tim that seems like a big gap. Nov. radiator in a April built car. Hey but who knows, we’ve seen other anomalies.
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Yep as I said, figured it wasn't original to car once I found the date code, but maybe? Not concerned either way, it's the correct part so I know it'll do the job.
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Cook and I tried to learn something about dating of 1969 radiators over on another site, but all we got was insulted by an arrogant member.
What started the debate was a 69 Z radiator with a 'K' date. A radiator dated 'K' was said to be an October radiator by one and November by another. When a 'M' dated radiator picture was produced, the November guy insisted he was still right and insisted that 'I" was used for September and he had 2 70 radiators as proof that 'I' was used.
Are there any 'I' dated radiators out there to prove that letter was used on 69 radiators?
Anyone here have a 70 radiator with an 'I' date?
Can it be said that the 'M' dated example is proof that an 'I ' was not used in at least 69?
I Don't have a radiator with a K or M but also never saw anyone with a "L". here is my brother's 1973 Camaro Z28 radiator DATED L 2 - (Nov 1972) Car is a 01A build I thought L was dec but if M is dec.
Not sure when the last digit of the year was introduced, however my survivor 71 vette has F1 on it. Jun 1971.
(https://nastyz28.com/attachments/103_0027-jpg.60588/)
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Hi
I would like to ad my radiator details also if it helps in anyway.
My Harrison radiator is from a 3rd week September built 1969 Z and it has CB on the tank as well as a F,
Unfortunate the radiator tag is missing.
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'69 Z, VN built. 04B. CB tank. C date code.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/t478/jwlittooy/Radiator_(3).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/jwlittooy/a/83c9e1e2-06ed-41f2-9ae1-2c6891379816/p/3fab9d22-01f0-442c-ac0d-24d250a88373)
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9 / 05A Norwood Z28. CB / IH, C March date code. No Tag. NCRS 5/13/69.
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1969 Z/28 Norwood 2B Build Date.
Radiator Code: IH, CB, Date Code: B, Radiator Tag Code: UH,
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51285118726_8102a0ba7c_c.jpg)
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Nice looking Rad there Lloyd.
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69 PaceCar L48 4Sp Norwood 03B Build date.... Original Radiator ZH CB (Date C) IH
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My X77's original unmoletsed tag and radiator. Note the date code "A" - car is an 01C build. Support has been off the car for many years: Mr. Cook goaded me into posting -
Regards,
Steve
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My radiator on a 12C build date Z.
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1967 06E NOR Z-28
Rad Code: IH, OD
Rad Date Code: C
Rad Tag Code: UH
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Thanks for all the updates from everyone. Sorry for not updating this since 2017. Terry, very interesting UH tag on your 67 Z. I didn't realize there was a different tag in '67.?. Can you post a closeup of the part number on the tag? Thanks!
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Here is my radiator information. 1969 L78 M21 05A (NCRS 05/01/1969) Tanks 00, 01 "C" date, TAG is UY p/n 30118624. Rich(http://)
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I assume NOR?
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I assume NOR?
Yes.
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Darrell, here's a close up of the tag p/n. I make it out to be 3010178 partly because that's what Kurt's Cooling Systems Reports states it to be ;D . I can send you a better quality pic if that helps.
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Nope no need. I just noticed it is different than what I have for the same UH tags for 68 & 69. Maybe I had forgotten that 67 was different but I wanted to note it regardless.
(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14762.0;attach=34399;image)
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1967 01D LOS L30/M20
Rad Code: IH, OD
Rad Date Code: A
Rad Tag Code: UG
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1968 04D LOS L30/M20
Rad Code: IH, OD
Rad Date Code: L
Rad Tag Code: UJ
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Nope no need. I just noticed it is different than what I have for the same UH tags for 68 & 69. Maybe I had forgotten that 67 was different but I wanted to note it regardless.
Yes, I see what you mean.
The 68 radiator info I posted in Reply #106 has a 67 tag. The radiator is 3 row 23" as per the tag but the tag must have been changed at some point or perhaps the whole rad was swapped out for a 67 rad.
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My born with rad, 68 07E L-30 W/ AC…Just restored and back in the car.
Steve
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Tag…
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Harrison…
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1967 engine 250 6cyl, manual transmission, 04A build date
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Pictures of 67 and 68/69 tags shown here: http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml#tag
My born with rad, 68 07E L-30 W/ AC…Just restored and back in the car.
Steve
Interesting. Steve's 68 is really late - has a 69 radiator and 69 heads.
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1969 Z28 07A Norwood
photo attached
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Pictures of 67 and 68/69 tags shown here: http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml#tag
My born with rad, 68 07E L-30 W/ AC…Just restored and back in the car.
Steve
Interesting. Steve's 68 is really late - has a 69 radiator and 69 heads.
Undrilled 041’s at that..Lots of little oddities that late.
Steve
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Came off my 68, 6 cylinder/AC, 11E build.