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Title: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: ko-lek-tor on July 13, 2016, 01:32:51 AM
Cook and I tried to learn something about dating of 1969 radiators over on another site, but all we got was insulted by an arrogant member.
What started the debate was a 69 Z radiator with a 'K' date. A radiator dated 'K'  was said to be an October radiator by one and November by another. When a 'M' dated radiator picture was produced, the November guy insisted he was still right and insisted that 'I" was used for September and he had 2 70 radiators as proof that 'I' was used.
Are there any 'I' dated radiators out there to prove that letter was used on 69 radiators?
Anyone here have a 70 radiator with an 'I' date?
Can it be said that the 'M' dated example is proof that an 'I ' was not used in at least 69?
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: Spooky on July 13, 2016, 01:43:21 AM
I have a K date radiator out of a 10D car (oct of 68). It is not a Z  just a 2 core sb auto Radiator.

Scott
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: jdv69z on July 13, 2016, 12:40:30 PM
My radiator from my 10B Oct 68 Z is dated "H"
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 13, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
Thanks guys.  Unless there is already one of these started then Im gonna start a spreadsheet to keep this info in some type of order.  Hopefully more will chime in with their info.  This is what I would like to record and if someone thinks we need more info then please speak up.


Manufacturing Year, Car build date, engine option (if applicable), Radiator Codes, Radiator Date Code, Rad Tag Code, Picture (if available), and submitter of info.
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 13, 2016, 03:09:24 PM
Can't say that I have personally seen an I dated radiator in a First Gen Camaro. 

Exactly why I wanted to create a spreadsheet..  "Sometimes it takes more than google search to find answers to alot of technical questions."  Which didnt work for me in this case..    ::)
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: KurtS on July 14, 2016, 05:01:56 AM
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#GM-InternalDateCodes
Looking at data, rads are typical stamped dates - no I.
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 14, 2016, 11:34:32 AM
I am aware and understand Kurt but this has become more of a personal thing for me now.. ;)  Just would like to have the info of rads vs build dates of the cars..  Never hurts to collect data. 8)


I would like to add all 3 years not just 69 so please if others wouldn't mind adding their info that would be great.  Thanks!
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 14, 2016, 05:02:22 PM
Another data base? Look at you (Darrell's Research Group), Just kidding bro. I think it would help to have Radiator list as well. Sounds like a new thread topic could be started, similar to the gas tank post. Each guy could post the build date of their car, and the date on the radiator. I would think it would be a good thread, because any first get owner could post if he had the original, and/or figure out if it was date correct, or had been replaced.

You may want to post a pic of where to find the date on the radiator. (similar to the gas tank thread)

 ;)
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 14, 2016, 06:03:18 PM
Another data base? Look at you (Darrell's Research Group), Just kidding bro. I think it would help to have Radiator list as well. Sounds like a new thread topic could be started, similar to the gas tank post. Each guy could post the build date of their car, and the date on the radiator. I would think it would be a good thread, because any first get owner could post if he had the original, and/or figure out if it was date correct, or had been replaced.

You may want to post a pic of where to find the date on the radiator. (similar to the gas tank thread)

 ;)


Thats kinda the purpose of this thread although it has slightly evolved..  People can see the pic above for the location of the stamping of the date.  If someone wants to move this to the Research Topics & Reports Section (I do not have access to start new threads) and delete the unneeded stuff that is fine with me.
Title: Re: 1969 radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 14, 2016, 08:13:18 PM
Bryon would it too much trouble to delete the bs in the threads and take the important stuff and start a new thread in the Research Topics and Reports section?  And Ill manage it from there.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 14, 2016, 11:36:38 PM
Thanks Bryon.  Here is what I have so far.  Hopefully more will post up.  Also waiting on some replies from some.

Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 15, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
Good start, one recommendation would be to put them in order starting with the earliest 67, like the gas tank info. Easier to read that way. thanks Darrell
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: rich69rs on July 15, 2016, 12:32:31 AM
'69 RS, 01C Norwood build, base V8, "A" Date Code for Jan
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 15, 2016, 12:51:15 AM
Austin all I have to do is filter the colmns and its done.    Easy function just hadnt done it yet as they data is still pretty small.


Thanks Rich
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 69Z28-RS on July 15, 2016, 01:05:14 AM
1969 Z28, (late) 09C, Norwood build, 302 engine, UH tag, 'H' date code.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Spooky on July 15, 2016, 02:15:26 AM
I'll get pics hopefully by the weekend

Scott
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 15, 2016, 02:15:41 AM
Good picture Gary. My UH tag is right over the date spot in my pics, so I can't see the date yet..
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Bryan302 on July 15, 2016, 04:45:28 AM
Darrell,

Here's my 1969 Z/28 NOR 05A.

 IH  CB / UH

Date Code C

Bryan

Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 15, 2016, 11:27:58 AM
Thanks guys.  Lets keep them coming!!  All years not just 69 too!!  Where's my 7 & 8 love??
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: copo on July 15, 2016, 05:40:55 PM
Here's my 1969 X44 NOR 06A. tank stamps, IO, OO  tag UY  Date Code J 
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: HOT3O2 on July 15, 2016, 09:40:49 PM
Wouldn't a radiator date code (J) be a little late for a 06A Built car?
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: ko-lek-tor on July 15, 2016, 10:08:35 PM
Quote from: Hot302 link=topic=14762.msg131022#msg131022 dabetter qute=1468618849
Wouldn't a radiator date code (J) be a little late for a 06A Built car?
Good question. But probably not too late for a bb 4spd w/air, and then by this date, COPO. Has a manual trans bb ever been documented with ac would probably be a better question?

Just my thoughts, but I will defer to those with experience.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 15, 2016, 10:12:18 PM
So that would be "J" of 68?
So the metal tag is how you distinguish between 68 and 69 radiators?
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 15, 2016, 11:11:58 PM
Thanks copo.


So that would be "J" of 68?
So the metal tag is how you distinguish between 68 and 69 radiators?


http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml (http://www.camaros.org/coolingsystems.shtml)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 15, 2016, 11:24:32 PM
Darrell, I am familiar with the CRG page, what I don't see addressed is how do you tell a late 68 radiator for a early 69 like Jimmy V, vs the same "F,G,H" date for a late 69 built Camaro. I didn't see a metal tag in his pic to help with identifying.

So my question is since there isn't a early production or late production distinction according to the chart, could you in fact use Jimmy V's dated radiator for a early 69 Z, and a late 69Z and it would be correct still?
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: copo on July 15, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
This not the original radiator for the car. This radiator is original I purchased for car 15 years ago to replace the incorrect s/b radiator that was in the car when purchased it.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: mls68z28 on July 16, 2016, 12:36:45 AM
My 03C,,NOR,,,1968 Z28 radiator-IH,OD-A-UH
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 16, 2016, 01:40:38 AM
So my question is since there isn't a early production or late production distinction according to the chart, could you in fact use Jimmy V's dated radiator for a early 69 Z, and a late 69Z and it would be correct still?

Currently I cant say with a 100% certainty but until the data reveals something different my gut says yes at this point.. 

This not the original radiator for the car. This radiator is original I purchased for car 15 years ago to replace the incorrect s/b radiator that was in the car when purchased it.

Thanks for clearing this up be unfortunately Ill have to have a question mark by your info as its not the original one for your car.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: JKZ27 on July 16, 2016, 11:56:55 AM
My 12B 69 SS350 has a CB radiator with a K.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: ZLP955 on July 17, 2016, 01:44:52 AM
Interested to see as the data point number grows, what is the greatest gap between rad date and car's estimated build date.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BillOhio on July 17, 2016, 12:44:41 PM
My 69 03d z28 is C
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Spooky on July 17, 2016, 06:56:42 PM
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/spooky427/20160717_141600_zpsnowcb5k2.jpg) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/spooky427/media/20160717_141600_zpsnowcb5k2.jpg.html)
this is out of a 69 LF7 327/210 dated 10D. It even had a 8K dated bumper Jack in the trunk

Scott
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 17, 2016, 08:01:20 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Bryan302 on July 17, 2016, 10:59:39 PM
Darrell,

Another 68 for you.  This car belongs to a friend, dalealan, a CRG newbie.

1968 RS L30 / M35 w/AC, NOR, 01D

3 row @ 23"; IH / OG - UK; Date code M

Bryan
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 18, 2016, 12:52:26 AM
Thanks Bryan and dalealan.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: VINCE Z28 on July 18, 2016, 01:29:33 AM
1969 Camaro L-78 09D 1968, IL, 00, 68, ZD, R.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 18, 2016, 01:32:57 AM
R?  Could you get a pic please?
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: VINCE Z28 on July 18, 2016, 01:53:55 AM
Hi Darrell just got my new computer can't get the resize down yet.The "R" is on the lower right of tag can't see a date. Vince. Tried to sent you a PM can't get picture to update.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: VINCE Z28 on July 18, 2016, 04:01:47 AM
might be a "J"
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: ZLP955 on July 18, 2016, 09:08:50 AM
Yep looks like 'J' to me.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 18, 2016, 11:13:50 AM
Email me the pic.  And I agree with Tim it looks like a J.

cook_dw@hotmail.com
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: ko-lek-tor on July 20, 2016, 02:28:29 AM
Come on guys, I know there are more of you who can contribute. 67,68,69, ALL data needed. List date of radiator and type of radiator (tank codes) and build date and year of car. Radiator MUST be ORIGINAL to the CAR.
I have provided 4 original Harrison radiators to 4 original cars, surely others have one if not more.
Any 'I' dated radiators??
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: firstgenaddict on July 21, 2016, 09:43:12 AM
1969 EARLY 09B Z28  H 


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Uletagn96oMar9fRU0YyBisdm8j4hlUte9OGGvlmxYil-VgnhAs0U3eAYAFe2LgclWz_mj-BIvMLRsSqSqfFLLbU5EI88aVFOqw1MnTGgVVsk3NezBGLj8vAeZuINW5AsUrbxmLygSm3xnSH-MVShUtwdyofxEl9gKXXvSwruZhJ0ovng399v-jGC_ISjmjPBuvjowjqnJP0xrac2XnV6gzPhPuTcGJwJOv4QWS3Tjriru8r3FiVz6znuJuJK-u6QNxerzW54GPdYLznIBKfiTm5KqDyM8kXfrLNpeTINvF2sKf-Ox3B15HQ3EmeGcdO3P8ZUSc2VEXLiA7TuW92xha0JT6Kb6AQnynRtcD6cmhn_kv1Q9ktSpljkqsQ0pVbkGlYqG890tA2GRP1E-HHRIkiGvoPLJp0UBb0d0uQWcTkHXMsYEAXUtxZA5lbSVH4d23KcBbqfzP_QE2iqsew3d8VNZpekl9EsrjyRsnag5HJi5CRsBdG6FUjnAxp5khLvHOc3B1Viz8NW5rYPo2GTKUqbS8bsxPO9H_nuTTpVaDc1ypic6Ywo35w_EB_GFnaQsGzdfEO9h8UaZNrXvQ3Uc72-h2jTTg=w1920-h1281-no)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Petes L48 on July 21, 2016, 09:52:22 PM
1967 L48 with C60 and M35, LOS build of 11B estimated to be about 11/15/66 (K250 Fisher Body scheduling code), UK tag, OG and HI tanks with a date of K between the O and G.  Also has an odd BG small tag along the HI tank which we could not determine its meaning, appears to be some sort of Harrison plant code.

(http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/RAP617983/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1040.jpg) (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/RAP617983/media/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1040.jpg.html)


(http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/RAP617983/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1041_crop-1.jpg) (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/RAP617983/media/Camaro/67%20UK%20L48%20M35%20Radiator/IMG_1041_crop-1.jpg.html)


 
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 21, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: KurtS on July 22, 2016, 02:58:05 AM
I bet the BG is a rebuilder's tag when the core was rodded out once.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 22, 2016, 03:48:51 AM
How are we looking Darrell, lets see the spread sheet so far.... :D

(Like to see what years/months are being represented, and where we could use more)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 69 Zee on July 22, 2016, 04:07:59 AM
'69 Z NOR 03B  Rad code IH, CB  Date C  Rad Tag UH
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 22, 2016, 10:31:36 PM
Thanks Darrell.  Current list.



Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 23, 2016, 01:36:20 AM
Update of the update   ;)

Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 23, 2016, 02:31:02 AM
Thanks Darrell
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Marty on July 23, 2016, 02:31:45 AM
Kurt, that BG tag might be a broken clip that the overflow hose clips into. I have a BG tag too and also a AG clip for an overflow hose.
Sorry I can't help on the original radiator. My original RH tank was replaced. I do have a correct replacement radiator with an M date.

Martin
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: crobjones2 on July 24, 2016, 04:37:58 AM
69 06A- 3rd week L48 Auto/C60 Date code of E tanks are OF, IH
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: ko-lek-tor on August 04, 2016, 02:41:03 AM
Hoping to get some more data. Any more factory radiator cars out there? Please?
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: X33RS on August 04, 2016, 12:37:42 PM
Mine has original radiator, and I don't recall the date off hand.  Doubt I could get at it well enough to read now since it's in the car.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: HOT3O2 on August 05, 2016, 12:02:00 AM
Darrell, Would there be anyway to add another column to your chart for Norwood or LA build?

Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Z28Project on August 15, 2016, 02:31:38 AM
69 Z/28 12B build, "M" radiator

(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/speartech/6-21-16%209%20crop.jpg) (http://s887.photobucket.com/user/speartech/media/6-21-16%209%20crop.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: jcihos on August 30, 2016, 12:19:25 PM
'68 Z NOR 05C  Rad code IH, OD  Date E  Rad Tag UH

(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u448/joshcihos/camaro/20160829_081723_zpsr7oin4os.jpg) (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/joshcihos/media/camaro/20160829_081723_zpsr7oin4os.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: WorkinProgress on September 10, 2016, 10:09:26 PM
I would be interested in knowing if the embossed letter for the date is the same for example, a Sept 1968 radiator versus a Sept 1969 radiator.

                                                                              - Warren
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on September 11, 2016, 03:35:20 AM
Warren the few photos I have they appear to be the same.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: suturb110 on September 12, 2016, 12:40:39 AM
My 1969 Z28 built in Van Nuys with an 09D 1968 build date has an original radiator with an "H" date code along with the tag showing CB & IH.

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 67rs/ss396 on September 15, 2016, 02:51:35 AM
 My 1967 03C 396/325 auto right tank OM date A UO tag left tank IL
      1967  05C 396/375 4sp  right tank OL date C UN tag left tank IL
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on September 15, 2016, 11:37:31 AM
Thanks guys.  Ill add them when I get the chance.  Keep the info coming.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 67rs/ss396 on September 15, 2016, 12:09:09 PM
Oh missed one 1967 02C 396/325 auto right tank OM date code L  left tank IL
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: KurtS on October 19, 2016, 04:36:42 AM
I still think there may be a way to make Darrell's sheet a Google doc and then be able to display it in a post. Any updates would be reflect in the post so it would always be the most up-to-date version.
A little digging yields: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/143345?hl=en&visit_id=1-636124485046189166-2663748708&rd=1
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on October 20, 2016, 01:12:30 PM
Thanks for the 67 info.  Kurt I am gonna work on this sometime this weekend.  Ill email you if I run into any issues and/or questions.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 68camaroz28 on June 15, 2017, 12:13:39 PM
Thanks for the 67 info.  Kurt I am gonna work on this sometime this weekend.  Ill email you if I run into any issues and/or questions.
Darrell, did you ever complete the chart of the last information received and/or suggestion Kurt made. Very useful information so thanks for taking the responsibility to start and complete.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on June 15, 2017, 02:37:09 PM
Well I have a little info to add since I have 1 car in front of me:
early 69 10B Los Angeles Z/28

radiator CB date code G

(I agree with having another column for Nor Vs. L.A. cars., if not to much trouble)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on June 18, 2017, 01:38:22 PM
No I havent.  Most updated info.

Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: VINCE Z28 on June 18, 2017, 04:05:31 PM
Darrell my 8/09D L-78 is  LOS. VINCE Z28
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: TRLAND on June 18, 2017, 05:09:19 PM
1967 RS Coupe w/ AC: 7/2A, LOS, L30, IH OG, A, no tag
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: HOT3O2 on June 18, 2017, 06:06:28 PM
My 69 RS Z/28: Build date-12B, Plant-Los, Radiator Code-IH CB, Radiator Date-L, Tag-UH.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 68Zproject on June 19, 2017, 01:26:56 AM
I have an original, maybe even for my car but not known 100%.  It's an E or F.  Since mine was a late May, I think I've even seen an F on some.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: x66 714 on June 19, 2017, 11:38:04 AM
The 69 has IO CH with an "E". No tag 325hp w/air.
The 68 has JH OD with a "M". Tag is UH Z/28
...Joe
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: Mike S on June 19, 2017, 12:33:48 PM
 Here is my info.
 Prod Year        Car Date      Engine         Rad Code  Rad Date      Rad Tag   
 67                   04B (LOS)    L35/Auto        IL/OM        C                UO
 67                   05B (NOR)   L35/Man         IL/OL         B                missing


Mike
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 04, 2017, 12:58:45 PM
Sorry for the late response but thanks guys.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 169INDY on July 04, 2017, 01:58:35 PM
Darrell here is mine.

'68 Z LOS 12D  Rad code IH, OD  Date K  Rad Tag UH

Jim

* Edit Corrected Trim Tag Date Week from E to D. Re. I got my other 1968 Camaro tag confused. To many cars so few available brain cells. (JFW dtd 7/4/17)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 04, 2017, 02:09:53 PM
Your trim tag says 12D in the other thread.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: x66 714 on July 04, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Here's a couple more. I looked to make sure I didn't send them before.
1968 Z/28 02E M date JI-OD. UH tag
1969 ss396 325hp with a/c 09E 1969 E date CH-IO tag gone....Joe
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on July 04, 2017, 04:58:25 PM
I believe you have already posted this.

Reply #73
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14762.msg141391#msg141391 (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14762.msg141391#msg141391)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: x66 714 on July 04, 2017, 05:57:41 PM
Sorry. So much for knowing how to read :)
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: BULLITT65 on July 06, 2017, 04:11:50 PM
Ok I was able to check my 08C (late 69) Z/28.

CB tank, dated F.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: JKZ27 on July 15, 2017, 06:54:17 PM
Darrell, my radiator tag reads "US".
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: 302V8 on October 18, 2017, 02:42:58 PM
 I don't think i have replied so here it is.  1968 z28 302 03C.     Norwood build.  B code on tank   OD on rh tank  1H on lh tank.   Uh code.
Title: Re: First Gen Camaro radiator dates
Post by: cook_dw on October 27, 2017, 02:55:55 PM
Thanks guys.