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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: L78 steve on June 04, 2016, 12:10:53 AM

Title: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: L78 steve on June 04, 2016, 12:10:53 AM
Opinions on this DZ Stamp please.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: L78 steve on June 04, 2016, 12:12:52 AM
#2
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: L78 steve on June 04, 2016, 12:13:43 AM
#3
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: JKZ27 on June 04, 2016, 12:36:39 AM
Hey Steve, I can't comment on the stamp but shouldn't there be a pipe plug above the timing cover?
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: x77-69z28 on June 04, 2016, 01:26:23 PM
Can't tell with paint on it
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: daves87gn on June 04, 2016, 05:23:17 PM
Hey Steve, I can't comment on the stamp but shouldn't there be a pipe plug above the timing cover?

That's a dead giveaway, and the "3" looks odd
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: KurtS on June 05, 2016, 05:22:51 AM
Restamp, IMO.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: L78 steve on June 05, 2016, 05:10:22 PM
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: firstgenaddict on June 05, 2016, 08:16:38 PM
It's missing the Flint specific galley plug.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: Steve Shauger on June 06, 2016, 01:29:01 PM
There have been a few 388 (Tonawanda) cast blocks, assembled in Flint for Z28 application(DZ). Not sure why or how this happened. I'm not comfortable with the stamping IMO.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: jdv69z on June 06, 2016, 02:52:20 PM
Thought I read somewhere that some Tonawanda blocks were shipped to Flint for assembly due to a production crunch at Flint during the 69 production year, but I cannot confirm or recall where I read that.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: HawkX66 on June 06, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
Wow, cast the day before it was assembled? Would that normal for a DZ? There's a couple things I don't like about it, but I'm not a stamp expert so I'll leave it alone.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: jdv69z on June 06, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
My DZ is 2 days from cast to assembly. I 10 8 to 0912DZ.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: HawkX66 on June 06, 2016, 07:46:04 PM
My DZ is 2 days from cast to assembly. I 10 8 to 0912DZ.
Sounds normal then. My 396 was cast 7/23 for an 7/28 build. I was actually thinking about my car build date when I originally posted which was 8/22. That's why I was so surprised at first. Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: L78 steve on June 06, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
I read that also. It was someone who has a Numbers and docs. 69 with a Tonawanda block. Swears by it.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: L78 steve on June 06, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
We will try to get the guy to remove the paint.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: bcmiller on June 06, 2016, 10:46:13 PM
My DZ is 2 days from cast to assembly. I 10 8 to 0912DZ.
Sounds normal then. My 396 was cast 7/23 for an 7/28 build. I was actually thinking about my car build date when I originally posted which was 8/22. That's why I was so surprised at first. Thanks for the reply.

Not "normal" in all cases. And there are always exceptions to the rule.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: 69Z28-RS on June 07, 2016, 04:23:53 AM
Wow, cast the day before it was assembled? Would that normal for a DZ? There's a couple things I don't like about it, but I'm not a stamp expert so I'll leave it alone.

My Z28 has the original 302 which was cast on 27 Aug 69 and assembled the next day!   Probably NOT normal, but these things did happen.  (I have a totally original '57 Chevy with 283 engine which the engine was assembled the SAME DAY as the block was cast (it must have been cast in the early morning hours and assembled much later that day, but seemed unbelievable to me when I purchased the car in 1978... :)
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: JKZ27 on June 07, 2016, 10:32:15 AM
Would it be safe to say that any of the Tonawanda cast, Flint built 302's would NOT be built 1 day after casting?
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: ZLP955 on June 07, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
Steve it looks as though the partial VIN sequence is 500270 but is it for a NOR or LOS car? Does the CRG have any evidence of Tonawanda blocks being machined and assembled at Flint early in the model year?
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: bcmiller on June 07, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
Cast and assembled the same day engines (from the same plant) exist. Unusual but yes they happened. Some blocks were also assembled weeks later.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: jdv69z on June 07, 2016, 12:42:05 PM
Would it be safe to say that any of the Tonawanda cast, Flint built 302's would NOT be built 1 day after casting?

I would think not. They would have to have been cast at Tonawanda, then loaded for transport, then transported from Tonawanda to Flint, then unloaded at Flint, then machined and assembled. All in less than 2 days.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: KurtS on June 07, 2016, 04:12:00 PM
Does the CRG have any evidence of Tonawanda blocks being machined and assembled at Flint early in the model year?
This block isn't real, so .....
Restamp, IMO.
Title: Re: Day one Z28 DZ
Post by: ZLP955 on June 08, 2016, 11:58:45 AM
Quote from: KurtS
This block isn't real, so .....
Kurt, I read and understood that, but my question was in response to Steve's comment thus:
There have been a few 388 (Tonawanda) cast blocks, assembled in Flint for Z28 application(DZ). Not sure why or how this happened.