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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mike S on April 11, 2016, 01:22:01 PM
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I have the opportunity to have a copy of the dealer sticker that was on the car when purchased in 1967 from Spielman motors in Brooklyn. It is approximately 1 1/2" tall by 6" wide (about the size of the Chevrolet script emblem) and an example image of it is posted below. It was affixed on the tail panel between the cap and right light housing.
I'm restoring the car to be as it left the factory but undecided if to include the dealer sticker as it left the showroom.
What would you do?
Thanks,
Mike
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If it's a 'sticker', it sounds like you could apply it.. and yet remove it anytime later that you decided to...? OR.. hold onto it and apply it later.. if you decided to..? I plan to leave the dealer emblem (and tag frame) that was on my car, as I consider it part of the 'originality' of the car that I'm attempting to *preserve* ...
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A sticker I would apply to a thin magnet sheet, then you could put it on and take it off the car anytime you feel like it. The thin magnets cut with scissors and can be trimmed exactly around the decal.
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that is a good idea Larry... :)
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Thanks Gary, you'll find all kinds of uses for it, even just messing around. A roll is cheap over at Hobby Lobby. I made a "prius repellent" sticker that I attached to a magnet and on occasion put it next to the tailpipe on my duramax ;D
Great for decals on your tool box or fridge out in the shop, when you get a new box or something they can be removed and reinstalled.
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I have also done this on my vintage license plates. Instead of sticking the sticker to them when in use I just put a magnet on the sticker when I get it, and then put it on the plate when needed. This way you don't get a big stack of stickers on your nice plates, and it looks cleaner, like day 1 when the plates were new. I have also done it with vintage stickers that I don't want to waste.
As far as your sticker Mike. I would make a couple of them. The new cars these magnets work on, very thin paint little clear. It may take a little thicker magnet to have it stick well on your tail panel. I would also have a copy made to go into a binder of all your docs, and rest-o pics.
Great find, wish I could find something from my dealer, License frame , sticker , anything. I was lucky to negotiate the key fob I suppose... :-\
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Very cool Mike. Where was it in Brooklyn? My grandmother lived on bushwick ave with a Chevy dealer right next door.
Buddy
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Very cool Mike. Where was it in Brooklyn? My grandmother lived on bushwick ave with a Chevy dealer right next door.
Buddy
Hi Bud,
Their address was: Spielman Motor Sales, 220-24 McGuinness Blvd. It closed in 1977 and now a KeyFoods is there. I did some research and learned that dealership had two buildings along McGuinness with one being the main showroom at 220-24 and the other further down on Humboldt St. for new car storage. So it may very well be the one by your grandmother.
Mike
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I like the thin magnet idea and may give that a try. I'm going to have several stickers made up because any removal would be destructive.
The more I think on it the more I am leaning towards putting the sticker on and leaving it there.
Thanks for the ideas!
Mike
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I think it would really be a cool piece having the sticker. Like I said I would run it on mine if I ever found one.
I have seen them like Skips car on the bumper, and I have seen others in the middle bottom of the rear glass. You may move it around or look for some vintage pics or talk to the guy you are getting the sticker from and see if there were multiple spots where they would put them.
How did you locate the sticker?
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I think it would really be a cool piece having the sticker. Like I said I would run it on mine if I ever found one.
I have seen them like Skips car on the bumper, and I have seen others in the middle bottom of the rear glass. You may move it around or look for some vintage pics or talk to the guy you are getting the sticker from and see if there were multiple spots where they would put them.
How did you locate the sticker?
Here is where mine was located, but I've seen them all over the place.... maybe each dealer had a 'certain location' for their ID plate/sticker, but it had to vary a bit from model to model across their new car line. Mine was located under the LH edge of the trunk lid on the tail pan above the LH tail light... and I was lucky enough to have the dealer tag frame on my car as well... I'd have rejected all those if I'd purchased the car from new, but now I'm glad the original owner didn't do that.. :)
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The thin magnets work great! When I bought my car a few years ago , it still had a local used car lot decal on the taillight panal from the early 70,s. Thought it would be neat to put it back on after I restored the car, but didn't want to put a sticker on the paint.
I will try to post some pictures of it later
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I stuck my Dealer Tag on a fridge magnet, and put it on for show.
When I am not showing the car I stick it inside on the trunk lid.
I put mine between the left tail light and the emblem.
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I would absolutely stick it on without the magnet.
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Just be glad you don't have to mount a big honker like this one on your tail panel. Screwed in originally, it will take a good magnet to hold this one.
I'm glad it was Reed and not Capitol - that one is over 7" in length, same mount.
Regards,
Steve
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Totally up to you, but I would keep the sticker off the car.
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I'm curious why you feel that way Bryon? All of our cars are 'old used' cars, regardless of whether unrestored, or restored, etc... the dealership that sold the cars are an important part of the car's history.. IMO... :)
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I just wouldn't put anything on the paint. Plate frame or something similar, no problem.
But again, totally up to the owner.
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I just wouldn't put anything on the paint. Plate frame or something similar, no problem.
But again, totally up to the owner.
X2
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OK.. I've got your position now (re the paint)... which is why I always rejected the dealer stickers when I purchased a new vehicle.. :)
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Most of the time I see that stuff, including dealer stickers and information, it's neatly displayed in a glass case or picture frame along with the paperwork for the car that sits along side the car. Rarely have I ever seen anyone stick a dealer decal on a freshly restored car.
Maybe this has become something that is recently catching on, I don't know, but if I felt I really had to display it that way I would absolutely use a magnet only. As expensive as paint is, and the amount of work involved, I cringe at the thought of sticking anything on there, lol.
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Coming from a true paint man... ;D
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You will never take it back off anyway so why worry about the paint under the sticker ? I would be thrilled if I found a orig. sticker to duplicate one that was on my car back in the day.
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Because to be honest, I think they take away from the beauty of the car, and if I got tired of looking at it and decided to peel it off...well.... Putting it on a magnet gives me the option to go back and forth without harm to the paint. Those magnets are so thin that anyone looking at it don't know any different. Plus it gives the next owner the option, as I find most people I'm dealing with on these restorations really don't want things stuck to their cars that the assembly line didn't install, lol.
Back then, and even now, I always considered that stuff as free advertisement for the dealer anyway and was never interested in having that stuff on any of my cars. Displaying it with the car along with all other documentation however all in one place I think is a nice way of doing it, so you can take it all in at once.
On the other hand, yeah I see the attraction and completely understand why some would do it. Me personally, seeing it on an unrestored car, now that's cool. Seeing them reapplied on a high end restoration, not so much.
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Coming from a true paint man... ;D
LOL, the hours involved in straightening panels, welding, block sanding, priming, blocking some more, painting and then sanding, polishing to perfection, 100's if not 1,000's of hours of work.....Yeah I want to look at the paint, not a sticker :lol:
Now in your case Bullitt, with your unrestored car, if it has dealer insignia on the back whether a sticker or emblem, Now I find that pretty cool and would leave it there.
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When I bought my 69 Z it had a High Performance Scuncio Chervolet emblem on the rear. It also came with a key fob and newspaper adds. I thought little of it until a guy at a local show wanted to by it. When his offer got to $1,000.00 plus paint repair I started some research. Some of these emblems and decals are worth keeping on the cars.
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Well, after reading all this I'm certainly on the fence as what to do because you brought our both sides of this topic. I will try the magnet idea first and if it doesn't look bad I may leave it that way. God knows how many Disney character magnets I have stuck on my refrigerator from my little granddaughter and I have been looking at them now and some are paper thin. I do my own paint work and the tail panel is blacked out so if for some reason I decided to remove the sticker (if I do stick it on) and it takes paint with it, it's not a problem to respray just the tail panel.
I'm going to use a magnet and stick it on and take pictures and run it past you all for a yey/nay vote.
Thanks!
Mike
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Removing an adhesive backed sticker has never posed a problem since I began use of "heat" to soften the glue... I used a hair dryer to do that... then any remaining adhesive residue can be removed with mineral spirits or alcohol... :)
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X2 on that method. I bought a used race trailer that had decals all over it. It took a long time to get them off but it worked.
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I looked for 20+ years for mine, had to buy a car to get it. I say put it on and enjoy it
Steve
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To me the sticker belongs because that's how you bought it. Wish I could find a Jay Chevrolet dealer (Haddonfield, NJ) sticker/emblem, and if I did it would be installed instantly... BTW I'd pay dearly for any memorabilia from that dealer.
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Hey...I have a Jay Chevrolet emblem.....Oh wait, it says Jay Chevrolet Sweetwater, Texas. ;D ;D
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If I could find something from Dick Fencl Chevrolet for my car I might use it.
I do have an old Osceola Dragway Tech Inspection OK sticker on the windshield. That hopefully can stay there forever. :)
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This used dealer sticker was on my car when I bought it in 2009. Previous owner told me his brother bought the car in the early to mid 70,s from this dealer. Dealership has been closed for years but was actually located near my hometown in Carlisle,Pa. There lot was beside the gate 3 entrance to the fairgrounds where all the Carlisle car show events take place.
I had the old sticker scanned then had a new one made to put on a thin magnet. I thought it would be neat to put on the car when I have it at local shows since a lot of people still remember this dealership
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I got the Spielman dealership sticker reproductions in yesterday (I had 6 made for now) and they look great. I even had a sticker image put on a coffee mug into the glazing :) I held one sticker up to the blacked out tail panel and I just love the unique look it adds to the restoration. I have the car partially masked right now for a round of clear coat flow coating but when done I'll put one sticker on using some masking tape behind it and get your votes.
Mike
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Anybody happen to have a back in the day license frame from Chevy Chase Chevrolet in Bethesda MD?
Just thought i would throw that out there. ;)
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Shouldn't be to hard to find, I have seen them on eBay.
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Please let me know next time you do. I never have.
Brad
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I would add the sticker.. Too cool not to.
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I vote to use the magnet on it. That is what I am going to do on my car.
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I finally got around to updating this thread.
Using a magnet, I place the dealer sticker on the rear where it was originally. Hmmmm......it sort of grows on me but that depends on the day and my mood.
I've attached 3 pictures....one with the dealer sticker, one without and one with the sticker on the car during a recent show.
What do you think..... Yes/No ?
Mike
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Looks great with it, looks great without it. Cool thing is you don't have to be permanent about it -
I took mine off when I bought the car, ran the screws back down in the holes and forgot about it. When they started showing back up on cars at shows, it made total sense to see them, as that's the way most dealers equipped the cars for sale.
I'll magnet mine - hopefully find a Courtesy Chevrolet from Houston for the Pace Car someday -
Regards,
Steve
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Mike I think it looks awesome, as long as it won't blow off, or scratch the paint. What about license frames, did your dealer have those?
I would stick one on my car if i could find one.
Clippinger Chevrolet- Covina CA
Jim Edelbrock Chevrolet- Plymouth Michigan
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Mike we need a build thread on the car since you are now finished with it. Looks great!
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When I had shown the car at the last two shows I asked people for their thoughts about the sticker. For the casual observer most had no opinions either way. For the car enthusiasts, most liked the idea to keep the sticker while a few didn't support any dealer advertising at all. Interesting enough many said they have seen dealer stickers/metal emblems starting to be part of restorations.
I moved the magnet around to get their opinions and even included placing the magnet on the opposite side of the trunk lid mounted Camaro emblem (see image below). That position looked 'cleaner' but it wasn't how the dealer placed it and there is something unique about having the sticker on the rear panel instead of the trunk.
I may keep the magnet version for now being it is thin, holds good and doesn't shift while driving. I have a few extra stickers in case I decide to stick it on permanently. These are basically made as bumper stickers using a peal-n-stick vinyl type of material. I use a razor and a metal straight edge to trim them out.
The coffee mug was an extra I had made up and held to my promise that I would take my first sip of coffee from it only after the car was completed and I hung the peace sign I wore decades ago on the rear view mirror. No fuzzy dice here! I couldn't help but post a picture from its fist show taking first place in the F-body stock category :)
Thanks for the input and comments!
Mike
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Most definitely belongs on the car as it left the dealership.
Rick
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I like it. I will putting mine on when i get finished with my car.
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Mike I think it is a nice touch. The NCRS provides a great service for guys to figure out who the original dealer was, but it still takes some work to get original dealer items for most of us. I have been on the hunt for dealer items for each of my cars. it really depends on the dealer, for what items may still be out there.
I really think it makes any car stand out from others with it present though, and tells a neat story.
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If it were my car I would keep it - but saying that.. it sounds pretty large - so I would get a copy made of it and get it somewhat reduced in size and then have it remade to a magnetic sticker as others here have suggested, so it could be added or removed at will.
You could consider getting a couple of them in various sizes done as well to suit your mood so it could be more or less as conspicuous when applied as you want, yet still be as visible depending on the reduced size of your choice, yet as removable and reusable as possible while still looking very authentic.
I'm sure there wouldn't be anyone who would or could recall the exact size of any original version anyway, nor few that could tell that a magnetic version wasn't actually the real one either as they can be quite thinly made!
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I added the original emblem back to my '68. The car has so much documentation it seemed a shame to just weld up the holes on the tail pan and leave it off the restoration.
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My z has the Scuncio dealer metal emblem on it. The previous owner had it coated with gold finish. A pic is in the test thread. Someone borrowed a pitted chrome one I had and repoped. It was the Scuncio guy who kind of disappeared.
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Nicely Done Sir!
One of my Fav cars here!
I MUST have a sickness, I am digging the correct overspray of the body color on the underside of the hood.
I vote for magnet on tail pan.
JIM
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My dealer plate
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I ended up buying a Corvair from across the country to get my dealer badge back. Took me over 20 years to find one. Found it about 2 weeks after we painted the car... :P
Steve
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I love both of them. :)
(not sure about the gold though... :o)
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My car came with an original chrome tag also but it needs replating. Also got a leather key fob, original 69 dealer adds, and two 69 Z28 shipping reports with I copied to Kurt for the database. The previous owner even met with Bob Johnson Scuncio,s High Performance manager during the restoration. I really did not think much of it until a guy at a show offered to buy the tag. His price surprised me and made me do more research. The gold tag kind of makes the non original paint color pop.
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Interesting how the metal tags shown in this thread are on the left side and the sizes look similar. I am guessing they are approximately 5-6" wide? I moved the magnet to the left side and though my car doesn't have a rear spoiler, standing back and looking at the sticker on the left side, it sort of 'balances' the look with the Chevrolet/Camaro emblems on the right side. But, I'll keep it on the right side being that is how it came originally. I'll admit that I do like the metal tags better.
On another note I happen to find an original Spielman dealer key ring on eBay from an estate sale. I snatched it up immediately and have my keys hanging from that now while I drive it.
Mike
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Left seems to be popular... I actually welded up my holes after I took measurements. I too have my "born with" keys and the dealer key chain. Very cool to have. Side note, I have one Rochchester Products key and one Briggs....
Most of the emblems were made by a company called D-Line. They offered similar designs to pick from, some decals, plastic, screw on and tape on...I have the Demo kit from them, I can post some pics tonight if there is any interest.
Steve
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I too have my "born with" keys and the dealer key chain. Very cool to have. Side note, I have one Rochchester Products key and one Briggs....
Steve
MY 68Z has the original chrome sticker mounted in the same area as yours.
My car has a B&S for the ignition key and a Rochchester for the trunk. Have found some identical replacement B&S blanks but haven't found any blanks for the Rochchester.
Jerry G.
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I am long overdue to posting the dealer sticker I had mentioned in this post. I did take some pictures while the car was being buffed before its first show but didn't take better pictures during the show season.
Anyhow....here are a few showing: A) no sticker, B) the original location on the rear panel C) an alternate location on the trunk lid (seems to be a favorite of the several people I asked at shows) and D) showing it in the original location (like B) on the rear of the car at a show. Currently the sticker is attached to a very thin magnetic sheet so it can easily be moved.
Honestly....What do you think?
Mike
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I like the pic where it is on the deck lid, since it balances it out nicely. But on the rear panel, it seems to be more period correct, because of the visibility it would have gotten back then. So my vote would be rear panel. whats great is you can move it all around, depending on your mood, and it changes the look of the car. great job!
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I like it best on the rear panel (which was generally the way dealers did them back then).
If I bought a car back then and a 'sticker' was on a painted surface, I'd raise H*** until they removed it without damage to the paint!
On ordered cars, I always specified that they NOT install any stickers at the dealer, and to leave off all that other 'crap' that some dealers always wanted to do ... U/C, special paint treatment, etc... :)
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I ended up buying a Corvair from across the country to get my dealer badge back. Took me over 20 years to find one. Found it about 2 weeks after we painted the car... :P
Steve
I like this as Steve and I have Camaro's from same dealership and we were back to back at this years MCACN invitational display. I give Steve a huge thanks as HE gave me the script for my car. Yes, gave me! I say all the time I'm a lucky guy and thanks Steve.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/45782921154_01ac93f123.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cKFrpy)
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very nice. Our good friend Bentley gave me a good used gas cap for my white 69 last year and while not rare, I appreciated it just the same. :)
Dealer emblems are cool, not all dealers used them of course, and some emblems looked better than others.
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Does anyone know what the Kenny Ross emblem looked like in 1969?
Ron Perry
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Bullitt, Gary,
The rear deck is what most folks vote for when I bring the topic up at shows. But, I do move the placement around based on my 'mood' :) I did place it on the left rear panel side and I like it because it seems to have more of a 'balanced' look being the Chevrolet is on the right of trunk lid. My wife hates the sticker and prefers, what she calls, the clean look.
Chick,
I would have loved it if Spielman made a metal medallion. I like them a whole lot better than the paper style, though I had mine made using bumper sticker material to hold up to the weather.
I had a set of papers made up for the car from Paul at Winvoices to add to the final restoration goal. They look very authentic and do complete the restoration, as far as I can get it. And yes......I've requested Paul add a watermark (it is on the documents back) as I stated I would have done in a previous discussion. ;)
Mike
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Tail pan. Thats where the dealer stuck them. Oddly enough Austin; Bentley hooked me up with a dealer emblem for my 68 Z. I had one but this one is more the correct era.
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if not oddly, how about coincidently ? ;)
Bentley is good like that.
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Chick and I at MCACN X... Roger Dean 68's front to back..