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Model Specific Discussions => Trans-Am Camaros => Topic started by: gcptc on April 05, 2016, 10:36:49 PM

Title: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: gcptc on April 05, 2016, 10:36:49 PM

I watched this race on YouTube and was wondering if the two first gen camaros were ex T/A cars?

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: Trans Åm on April 06, 2016, 01:23:40 AM

Link?

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: group/7 on April 07, 2016, 12:16:29 AM

here's a link to the first part, if you google "4 hours of Monza 1971" there are  four parts on youtube. haven't watched all of them, so don't know where the Camaros are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh_btZyQv4o

Mike (group/7)

edit: a '67 shows at 8:10 & a '68 shows at 8:29 in this first part

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: Trans Åm on April 07, 2016, 04:21:35 AM

Thank you very much Mike. Very helpful! :D

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: Jon Mello on April 07, 2016, 04:24:29 AM

Off the top of my head, I don't recognize either car as being from the Trans-Am series. I like both cars but especially like the silver with red interior color combo. There was also a Citrus Green '70 Z with a big block in it at this race.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/Silver%20car%20front%20001_zps1d7qshej.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/Silver%20car%20front%20001_zps1d7qshej.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/Silver%20car%20interior%20002_zps5g14ljge.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/Silver%20car%20interior%20002_zps5g14ljge.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/Silver%20car%20back%20003_zpsrm9vptpu.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/Silver%20car%20back%20003_zpsrm9vptpu.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/Red%20car%20front%20001_zpscawkkwmp.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/Red%20car%20front%20001_zpscawkkwmp.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/Red%20car%20close%20up_zpsavpp4jwk.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/Red%20car%20close%20up_zpsavpp4jwk.jpg.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/Red%20car%20back_zpsgtntc7gx.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/Red%20car%20back_zpsgtntc7gx.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: gcptc on April 07, 2016, 10:33:18 PM

Thanks for posting the pics and link.

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: Steve Holmes on April 07, 2016, 11:03:10 PM

The silver car looks little more than a modified road car. The FIA Group 2 rules these cars raced under allowed a huge number of freedoms, which most teams pushed to the limit.

The orange car has quite curious fender treatment which me reminds me of the Jon Ward Camaro/Firebird raced briefly by Jerry Titus. Also note the incorrect stripes which run across the roof.

The two Camaros were raced by Robert Eberhard and Cox Kocher/Georges Kolb and were a long way from being competitive.

The most competitive of the V8s was the green 2nd gen Camaro of Ivo Grauls which Jon mentioned above. This car was very fast, and claimed several pole positions at various events throughout 1971 and early 1972 before Grauls was killed in the car in an incident at Chimay in Belgium.

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: Jon Mello on April 09, 2016, 10:51:19 PM

Steve, thanks for the information on the drivers. I have heard of Ivo Grauls but was not aware of his demise while racing this green Camaro.

I do agree with you that the '68 Camaro has flares that are similar in look to the Jon Ward Camaro/Firebird but that car went to Mexico, not to Europe.

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/green%20Z_zps8tmcovvm.png) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/green%20Z_zps8tmcovvm.png.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/green%20Z%20big%20block_zpsvxnlveju.png) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/green%20Z%20big%20block_zpsvxnlveju.png.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/green%20Z%20side%20blocked_zpsgad2oxhf.png) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/green%20Z%20side%20blocked_zpsgad2oxhf.png.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/green%20Z%20rear_zpsdemxfoq0.png) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/green%20Z%20rear_zpsdemxfoq0.png.html)

(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/green%20Z%20leaving_zpsec7w01l8.png) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/green%20Z%20leaving_zpsec7w01l8.png.html)

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: group/7 on June 11, 2021, 06:58:55 PM

Not at Monza, but a neat photo of the Evo Grauls Camaro on the trailer at Nivelles, Belgium 1971.

Mike


(photo: Thierry Perilleux)

Title: Re: 4 hours of Monza 1971
Post by: Trans Åm on June 11, 2021, 07:58:45 PM

Absolute shame what happened to that car and it's driver. Great lookin car.