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Title: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: X33RS on March 09, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Thought you guys would like to see the numerous paint daubs on the 69Z suspension, 12D norwood car.  Hope this might help anyone with a future restoration where these markings usually don't survive.  There are many more than pictured here so I just highlighted a few.  Enjoy these while they are up, I'm having issues with photobucket.

Tore it all down for control arm bushing replacement and ran everything through the parts washer.  Paint marks began to appear.  They'll get a short soak in evaporust for a quick removal of surface rust and some satin clear to preserve them for a future restoration.  Until then they go back into service.

Center link, has a lot of white on it right in the center with a hint of orange left as well.
(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx200/Firebirdjones1/center%20link%203_zpsvza5vgxk.jpg) (http://s755.photobucket.com/user/Firebirdjones1/media/center%20link%203_zpsvza5vgxk.jpg.html)

This is just one tie rod, but all 4 of them had a liberal amount of orange on the ends
(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx200/Firebirdjones1/drive%20side%20tie%20rod_zpsaye69exi.jpg) (http://s755.photobucket.com/user/Firebirdjones1/media/drive%20side%20tie%20rod_zpsaye69exi.jpg.html)

Here is one spindle.  A lot of white on the top side and then liberal amounts of orange, so much so that there are runs in it. There is also a small amount of green inside the spindle.   The other spindle was the same with with white on top and a lot of orange, but no green found on that one. 
(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx200/Firebirdjones1/driver%20spindle%204_zpsnwoy5q2w.jpg) (http://s755.photobucket.com/user/Firebirdjones1/media/driver%20spindle%204_zpsnwoy5q2w.jpg.html)
(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx200/Firebirdjones1/driver%20spindle%202_zpsvb5s0c2s.jpg) (http://s755.photobucket.com/user/Firebirdjones1/media/driver%20spindle%202_zpsvb5s0c2s.jpg.html)
(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx200/Firebirdjones1/driver%20spindle%208_zpsq2y21oip.jpg) (http://s755.photobucket.com/user/Firebirdjones1/media/driver%20spindle%208_zpsq2y21oip.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: Revsitup on March 09, 2016, 11:36:23 PM
My 02d norwood Z had similar markings on the spindles.   
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: firstgenaddict on March 11, 2016, 09:47:11 PM
I held the part so that when using an eye dropper to put a drop of paint it would run down the part like the original marks.
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: X33RS on March 12, 2016, 03:59:34 AM
That's an interesting approach James.

I've since soaked everything in evaporust for about 10 hours, enough to remove what little surface rust they had and save the paint markings.  Spindles seemed to have the surface rust while tie rods and center link were virtually rust free.  I think the latter pieces were likely coated with a film or oil and/or grease early in life before surface rust set in.
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: 68camaroz28 on March 13, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
Thanks for sharing the pics! Our 68 had more of just a large Dab and small stroke. Different strokes by different folks!
And that James has all kind of neat tricks and what is great, he shares a lot!
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: X33RS on March 13, 2016, 12:09:34 PM
Well I was trying to load some new pics after evaporust and lost some of the others  :(   I'll figure this out eventually.
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: janobyte on March 13, 2016, 09:16:37 PM
I had white, orange, and baby blue. Trace of yellow left on the tie rods. Rust hasn't been an issue, but that #$ undercoating. I soaked them in Stoddard solvent, then a lacquer thinner bath. After everything sloughed off, inspection marks showed clearly. I shot some pics ( for a replication source). I'll end up posting, been busy, cameras out back in the shop. Now I'm in a holding pattern until it warms up. Subframe and control arms ready to shoot

Little off the thread, but what are you guys using to treat the rotor's cooling fins ? Mine are still well in spec, so I'm using them. They are getting an evapo-rust bath next weekend. I'll pick up another set of rotors/hubs when the cars back on the pavement putting some miles on it.
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 13, 2016, 09:24:28 PM
Well I was trying to load some new pics after evaporust and lost some of the others  :(   I'll figure this out eventually.

Larry a few suggestions re the pix:   When you get the images from your camera (or phone), rename them in your computer; I have all my Camaro photos in one area, segmented by topic as much as I can so I can find them more easily.  Once they are in your computer, check their sizes (jpg files are better), then you can run Paint or similar to 'crop them to the area you want to send' (which will reduce their size some).  Finally, use a software tool like 'Light Image Resizer' to reduce file to the desired size.  Note the single file size limit, and the MESSAGE file size limit before posting.)
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: KurtS on March 14, 2016, 04:11:01 AM
Well I was trying to load some new pics after evaporust and lost some of the others  :(   I'll figure this out eventually.
Upload them directly to the site when you post. External sites tend to go away eventually....
It's under "+ Attachments and other options".
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: X33RS on March 14, 2016, 12:50:52 PM
Thanks guys, I'm going to play around with this some more and figure it out.
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: dale_z28 on March 14, 2016, 02:15:33 PM
I use Microsoft picture manager and my pictures come out way bigger than I intend, even when reduced to below the size limit listed on our site. I need to do some more research and experimentation in the testing area to figure this out.
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 14, 2016, 03:18:46 PM
I use Microsoft picture manager and my pictures come out way bigger than I intend, even when reduced to below the size limit listed on our site. I need to do some more research and experimentation in the testing area to figure this out.

On CRG we're limited to a single image file size of  200 Kilobytes (which isn't very large), and a total post image size (for up to 4 images) of 500 Kb.  For each of your images, the first thing to do is to 'crop' the image area to the region that is needed to show whatever it is you want/need to show.  That will provide a small measure of file size reduction with a corresponding reduction in image area on the screen.

There are two other issues re image size, and you need to be conscious of both of them.

1)  How large the image is on your screen is a function of the image resolution in pixels (horiz, vert) and your screen resolution.  Each of us have control of screen resolution on our computers.  For the image resolution, approx 800 h and 600 v is a good choice for most of us; it will be large enough for viewers, but shouldn't be larger than our entire screen (unless your screen resolution is set for something old like VGA 640x480 format).. :)

2) Second is File Size which you can check via 'file properties' on your computer.  This must be smaller than 200 Kb to post to CRG.  File size is related to the image size (h, v), but is not a fixed relationship due to jpg compression).     Image compression by techniques such as JPG greatly reduce your file size while maintaining your original image resolution in pixels (at a slight cost in image quality); if done correctly you probably won't be able to see any loss.

Additionally, using file/image size reduction software such as 'Light Image Resizer', you can maintain a good screen based image resolution, AND reduce the file size even smaller than what your original jpg file was, in only a jiffy... :)

You can download a 'free personal use copy' of Light Image Resizer here.
http://www.obviousidea.com/windows-software/light-image-resizer/
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: KurtS on March 14, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
You don't need to have a large file size to have a crisp picture. I save lots of pics and documents and few are over 200Kb.
I use Irfanview and watch my pixel size and keep the jpg quality at 70% (I don't see much difference at an even lower %).
Title: Re: Suspenion paint markings
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 14, 2016, 04:50:07 PM
You don't need to have a large file size to have a crisp picture. I save lots of pics and documents and few are over 200Kb.
I use Irfanview and watch my pixel size and keep the jpg quality at 70% (I don't see much difference at an even lower %).

You and I agree KurtS...    the problem is that some people take 'high resolution' photos from their camera or phone, and try to upload them... Sometimes those images direct from cameras or phones will be 2 MEGAbytes or more... and thus they can't be uploaded at that size.  I use the process I described (CROP, JPG, and 'Light Image Resizer') to reduce my 2MB images down to less than 200KB filesize.   Many times the resulting filesize is less than 100Kb, so yes I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I was trying to give a simple process for people who aren't used to working with images and their corresponding file sizes.. :)

I haven't used irfanview in many years but I think it provides similar capabilities to light image resizer (but I've been very impressed with the compression which LIR provides).. :)