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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Restoration => Topic started by: 69Z28-RS on February 08, 2016, 04:45:34 PM
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Is it any wonder that it's expensive these days to restore (correctly) a '69 Camaro???
when a single plastic tie like this is valued at $135???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121888447142?item=121888447142&viewitem=&vxp=mtr
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Heck I saw a set of wiper arms that the guy had 69 Z28 on the tape identifying them at the swap meet.. Added another 30% to the price apparently.. ::) Anymore it is cheaper to buy a finished car than to restore a car.. This is the main reason I have stopped selling as much and am in more of the hoarding stage.. As one "ole dog" said to me over the weekend.. This stuff just isnt around anymore.. ;D ;)
You can thank the rich baby boomers that want to recapture their youth creating more demand than supply. Same thing is happening right now with the late 70's T/As.. BJ, Mecam and others havent helped the common man either..
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Is it any wonder that it's expensive these days to restore (correctly) a '69 Camaro???
when a single plastic tie like this is valued at $135???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121888447142?item=121888447142&viewitem=&vxp=mtr
7029215 Quadrabogs and similar carbs have been $1,200 - $1,500 for quite a while now. It's definitely crazy on some of this stuff. You're right though, $135 is just out of control for that strap.
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I'm currently watching an auction for a CV-746C PCV valve.....one of the earlier ones made around 1968. BIN only $995.00. I had a chance to get one for appx. $200.00 a couple of years ago but missed the auction by 30 seconds. Bummer :'(
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IdPCmQF5fOY/VrjPKXHR8GI/AAAAAAAAC0U/gZve6NGxyeA/s640-Ic42/CV-746C%252520PCV.jpg)
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I'm currently watching an auction for a CV-746C PCV valve.....one of the earlier ones made around 1968. BIN only $995.00.
That is just absurd..
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Even at a price of $200 for a PCV valve, I'd be heading to the local parts store for the $5 part...
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Even at a price of $200 for a PCV valve, I'd be heading to the local parts store for the $5 part...
Ditto! 8)
Paul
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You wont find a machined pcv valve at the parts store, they were assembly line installed to around late 1970, I have seen them regularily go for $300-$500.
Seriously the restoration deal has got out of hand, especially with internal engine components that can not be seen.
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And the box is not included.......typical!
There is a vendor on eBay that sells bolts and nuts and it is always box is not included and he also lists as 'Extremely hard to find'. And yet, the vast majority are available at AMK for a fraction of the cost.
Mike
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MORE FRAUD.. they SHOW the gm box for ONE purpose.. to mislead the prospective buyer into thinking the part is an original or NOS part.. whereas they KNOW it isn't. We seem to be encouraging more and more people into being LYING FRAUDs by our 'accepting' their lies... (I Just sent a question/comment to a seller on ebay who is advertising his '56 Sedan Delivery as a 'Nomad delivery'... car has nothing to do with a Nomad; two separate cars, but he might FOOL/DeFraud a person who knows that Nomad are bring a big price, but doesn't really know the difference... Who was it who said: "There's a fool born every minute... and two more born to 'take him'"...
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I'm currently watching an auction for a CV-746C PCV valve.....one of the earlier ones made around 1968. BIN only $995.00. I had a chance to get one for appx. $200.00 a couple of years ago but missed the auction by 30 seconds. Bummer :'(
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IdPCmQF5fOY/VrjPKXHR8GI/AAAAAAAAC0U/gZve6NGxyeA/s640-Ic42/CV-746C%252520PCV.jpg)
There was another in an auction right before (and during) this auction - B-I-N for $1200.00.
I thought I might bid on this one because it was cheaper -
Regards,
Steve
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MORE FRAUD.. they SHOW the gm box for ONE purpose.. to mislead the prospective buyer into thinking the part is an original or NOS part.. whereas they KNOW it isn't. We seem to be encouraging more and more people into being LYING FRAUDs by our 'accepting' their lies... (I Just sent a question/comment to a seller on ebay who is advertising his '56 Sedan Delivery as a 'Nomad delivery'... car has nothing to do with a Nomad; two separate cars, but he might FOOL/DeFraud a person who knows that Nomad are bring a big price, but doesn't really know the difference... Who was it who said: "There's a fool born every minute... and two more born to 'take him'"...
I sometimes think that might have more to do with people just not knowing what they have or what the technical name is, even the owners. When I was driving my nomad daily it was called a station wagon more times than I can count. So much so I really didn't care anymore and just let it be. I think when GM came out with a wagon they also called a nomad in the 60's it didn't help matters either. We are a dying breed Gary. Few of us left that can tell things apart like we do, and younger generation for the most part doesn't care. Eventually the high prices these cars and their parts bring won't last forever as the older generations die off and todays kids show less and less interest.
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Even at a price of $200 for a PCV valve, I'd be heading to the local parts store for the $5 part...
You know I'm with you on that Gary. When you start blowing that kind of money on mundane parts like that, then suddenly when finished you have a 6 figure car you're afraid to drive, and I'm sick of just staring at them.
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Is it any wonder that it's expensive these days to restore (correctly) a '69 Camaro???
when a single plastic tie like this is valued at $135???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121888447142?item=121888447142&viewitem=&vxp=mtr
What's funny, all those straps on my car are black anyway, lol.
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Or this...http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Definitive-1969-Camaro-Z-28-SS396-Fact-Book-/351260171304?hash=item51c8bcdc28:g:sfEAAOSwkNZUmKV4
I asked the seller if his price was correct since they're still available from the author for $25 + shipping (Jerry even offered to sign my copy). Seller response: "If you can buy it cheaper, why are you wasting my time?" I said I was giving you the chance to correct a typo. He responded "It's no typo"
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It's just a case of "throwing the net out"
If someone's willing to shell out $1200.00 for a pcv valve, well I got a $50,000 take off, 68 Z exhaust they might be interested in.
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Or this...http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Definitive-1969-Camaro-Z-28-SS396-Fact-Book-/351260171304?hash=item51c8bcdc28:g:sfEAAOSwkNZUmKV4
I asked the seller if his price was correct since they're still available from the author for $25 + shipping (Jerry even offered to sign my copy). Seller response: "If you can buy it cheaper, why are you wasting my time?" I said I was giving you the chance to correct a typo. He responded "It's no typo"
It appears that the publish date is in 1993 so I guess the seller thinks it must be a rare first edition classic.
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I may as well take advantage of the gullible.....
But, there is no box included :D
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All it takes is one or two high-roller, "money is no object" buyers doing a concours resto to pay the asking price and then sellers will hold out with unrealistic expectations waiting for someone else to follow.
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I may as well take advantage of the gullible.....
But, there is no box included :D
lol! "Z/28-Yenko-COPO-Survivor-Rare"
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Is it any wonder that it's expensive these days to restore (correctly) a '69 Camaro???
when a single plastic tie like this is valued at $135???
Here's five black plastic ties that just sold for $344.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1969-Camaro-NOS-GM-Battery-Cable-Washer-Hose-Straps-1968-67-68-69-RS-SS-Z28-/131718308791?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=V9nE2rJfEsV0imdSqCldIU8M2g0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Paul
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lol
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And check this out; same seller as above (graffz) buys these 3 spark plug wire heat shields two weeks ago for $39.99 and sells them today for $332.02
Buy...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Chevrolet-Spark-Plug-Wire-Shields-3-1971-1972-Chevy-71-72-/371539234550?hash=item568176cef6%3Ag%3AG30AAOSwLnlWo7Bp&vxp=mtr&nma=true&si=V9nE2rJfEsV0imdSqCldIU8M2g0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Sell...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/64-72-Camaro-Chevelle-Nova-NOS-GM-Spark-Shields-65-66-67-68-69-70-71-RS-SS-Z28-/111894242761?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=V9nE2rJfEsV0imdSqCldIU8M2g0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Man, I'm in the wrong business! ;)
Paul
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The first seller advertised them as 71-72 Chevy and received $39.99. The fella who resold them advertised them as 64-72 Camaro Chevelle Nova NOS GM shields RS/SS Z28 and traded them for $332.02... I suppose it shows that 'words' matter, but which one is the most accurate in his description???
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One can make a living on ebay alone if you know what you are looking at. I always seem to lose money.
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I never make money either, but I do know a guy that does this with golf clubs. He buys them cheap at yard sales and then ebays them for 3-4 times the amount. He's been doing that for years. Of course like anything else, just as you said Steve, you have to know what you're looking at.
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I'm currently watching an auction for a CV-746C PCV valve.....one of the earlier ones made around 1968. BIN only $995.00. I had a chance to get one for appx. $200.00 a couple of years ago but missed the auction by 30 seconds. Bummer :'(
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IdPCmQF5fOY/VrjPKXHR8GI/AAAAAAAAC0U/gZve6NGxyeA/s640-Ic42/CV-746C%252520PCV.jpg)
There was another in an auction right before (and during) this auction - B-I-N for $1200.00.
I thought I might bid on this one because it was cheaper -
Regards,
Steve
I paid $120 for a correct machined valve back 5 or so years back and thought I was crazy then but could make money on it now but its in the 68Z. After showing/judging maybe take it out and sell it. LOL
Bottom line, the bar for restoration has been raised significantly and all kinds of brackets and small what used to be nickel stuff can bring over a hundred to several hundred.
And the NOS hardware thing which is AMK purchased hardware is something else as aforementioned.
As Mike said, things have gotten out of hand especially with internal items. I should have sold my GM boxed lifters and other internal parts and used quality replacements.