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Title: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Bryan302 on December 25, 2015, 09:34:58 PM
What would be the chances of a new category in "model specific discussions" with the title of DRAG RACED CAMAROS, period 1st gens raced in the NHRA, AHRA, etc.  I refer to the historic Strickler, Jenkins, Wenzel, Beeler, Harrell, Gibb, etc.  How many 67, 68, 69 Z/28's and COPO's, etc. were dealer or individually campaigned for drag racing that are not known by all?  How many?  Who were they?  Are they ALL known?  Dealer Advertisements?, etc.

I just thought it would be very nice to have a category similar to the Trans AM Camaros for drag raced camaros!  If the spot was made for it, could it be an ongoing project?

Thanks,
Bryan
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: ds1 on January 06, 2016, 12:34:54 AM
I have a Super Stocker from the late 70's.   Two time world NHRA champion Joe Scotts first Super Stock car a 67 RS 327 SS/JA
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 68camaroz28 on January 06, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
What would be the chances of a new category in "model specific discussions" with the title of DRAG RACED CAMAROS, period 1st gens raced in the NHRA, AHRA, etc.  I refer to the historic Strickler, Jenkins, Wenzel, Beeler, Harrell, Gibb, etc.  How many 67, 68, 69 Z/28's and COPO's, etc. were dealer or individually campaigned for drag racing that are not known by all?  How many?  Who were they?  Are they ALL known?  Dealer Advertisements?, etc.

I just thought it would be very nice to have a category similar to the Trans AM Camaros for drag raced camaros!  If the spot was made for it, could it be an ongoing project?

Thanks,
Bryan
I think its a great idea considering as you noted many of the days high performance Camaro's were used up for Drag Racing. Heck, that is why many of us bought them. Hopefully Bryan your suggestion will be considered.
Good on ya! :)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X33RS on January 06, 2016, 02:09:33 PM
You have my vote Bryon.  Drag racer at heart here, not much for the road race stuff (never really appealed to me) but since we have a Trans Am section it seems only fitting to see a drag race section documenting the other side of the coin.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: camaro jock on January 06, 2016, 03:17:34 PM
Great idea first gen Camaros were kings of the drags back in the day and still see a few today you have my vote Bryan look forward to it thanks Darell
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: CNorton on January 06, 2016, 03:55:49 PM
I refer to the historic Strickler, Jenkins, Wenzel, Beeler, Harrell, Gibb, etc.  How many 67, 68, 69 Z/28's and COPO's, etc. were dealer or individually campaigned for drag racing that are not known by all?  How many?  Who were they?  Are they ALL known? 

For every one of the "historic" Camaros that can be identified, there are many thousands of examples that have been vigorously campaigned on drag strips across the country.  Many are enshrined in the popular literature but even more have competed in near-anonymity, simply for the love of the sport.  How many did you have in mind?
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Nikke on January 07, 2016, 03:52:31 AM
Great idea first gen Camaros were kings of the drags back in the day and still see a few today you have my vote Bryan look forward to it thanks Darell

X3
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Bryan302 on January 07, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
Good Deal, Interest!  Now lets sweet talk the CRG into a category beside Trans Am Camaro's to get this started!

I have one sensible suggestion though, for a first generation camaro to be eligible for this category, the car itself had to be ORIGINALLY campaigned in 1967 thru 1969 and into the early seventies.  If it retired and was brought back later, that's fine.  I know there were many camaro's that started drag racing in the eighties and nineties, they were not originally campaigned!

For those of you that have them, lets see 'em.  Original Photo's too.  Just my 2cents.

Thanks,
Bryan
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Kelley W King on January 07, 2016, 04:22:55 PM
Bob Johnson with Scuncio Cheverolet appeared to campaign a lot. There pictures If you google Scuncio.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Bryan302 on January 07, 2016, 07:37:46 PM
CNorton,

I missed your question at first, "just how many did you have in mind".  Well, I realized there were thousands, but how many are left in tact, with history and original photo's, (original photo's and now photo's).  There were those that were extremely popular and are the ones we see most in the magazines.  The ones that I would like to see are the ones that were not all over the magazines and the ones you are not going to ever see unless you were THERE at the time, originally, or shortly after.  I'm sure if this forum gets filled up, they can knock a hole in the wall and start expanding.  Let's see 'em.

Bryan
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X66 on January 08, 2016, 03:55:43 AM
I just glanced through the latest Musclecar Review magazine and saw pictures of a big block that sat for 40 years in a garage. The guy bought it for drag racing. Cool Camaro.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 08, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
Thompson, National Trails, '42, and Norwalk(20 minutes away) are around here. When I was little, I thought that was what Camaros were built for. The second owner of my car actually bought the Z because while racing out at Norwalk, someone stole his Camaro out of the pits. He was in the stands...he watched it happen, couldn't catch them.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X33RS on January 08, 2016, 04:08:08 PM
Love Norwalk, raced there a few times.  Top notch facility and a hookin' track.

Great way to kick off this section as I find it interesting to see vintage photos of drag racing even with just us weekend worriors.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 08, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
LOL, Norwalk will spoil you for other tracks, Hats off to Bill Sr. and Jr. Did come close to not being at one time.
42 was trash in the end, Going to be great in the near future!!!  I like Thompson for the gasser stuff, left lane  takes you somewhat left out of the hole, but right back in the groove. No more hump at the end. Nice ride on return road,passes the grandstands. Never been to Columbus, long ride down. We did an event in NY....like street racing. 1/8 mile with like an 1/8 mile shut down before having to turn right.  2 foot braking!  I don't even remember a center line, lol.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X33RS on January 08, 2016, 06:36:13 PM
Can't beat the dollar ice cream at Norwalk!!   They still have that I assume?

I've been to Columbus and Indy a few times, been down Kil-Kare in Dayton many many times,  but most of my time was spent around Cincy tracks, Edgewater and Tri-State.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 08, 2016, 07:45:55 PM
still have it. Bill Jr. really seemed to spearhead it being family friendly. Quite time, play ground, put a cap on drinking/rowdiness in the stands. O tolerance for ANY drinking and driving. Catch you taking a sip then making a pass, banded. Not the case years ago. Tried chasing points a few years ago, but my boy was heavy into high school sports, really no time. Saturday points racing really makes for a relaxing weekend. T-n-T Friday night, dial in Saturday morning, run in the evening. But, I really love the "gasser event index racing" We run D/G (10.5), not tearing the car up, leave on the same light, no chasing down or being chased. Simple mechanical throttle stop. Not , the Z, Anglia.

I have videos of the Z running in the early 90's, VHS, got to have it transferred.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X33RS on January 08, 2016, 08:34:22 PM
Neat, I try to go as much as I can not only to have some fun but show support.  Sadly tracks are drying up.
  I attend all the nostalgia events and PSCA.  I used to run UMTR fairly regular and a car club my father belonged to since the 70's put on a really nice muscle car race twice a year that was fun, used to run the 1959 rule book heads up with a flagman, good times.  Eventually opened to the tree and bracket racing to draw more people.  I only race slow stuff anymore and have fun with it.  The car I enjoyed racing needs a roll bar to be legal so it's primarily a street car now, I won't put a bar in it and I don't have the time to build and enjoy a dedicated race car.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 08, 2016, 09:11:25 PM
Have not made it to, but would love watch  a UMTR event. BS'd with a few guys wearing the sticker at some events while in staging. Seems like a good group of guys. Gene Schwartz's 52 is something to see. I think he runs those events also. Ran him at Thompson...he killed me at the tree!

Ok folks, where are the stories/pics?

Super Crush is just one of the old war horse Camaro's still running strong around here. Orange Crush is owned by the guy I sold my El Camino to, and I think Mighty Mouse is still out there. Was a white 68 NHRA record holder I have not seen in years, I think the guy sold it for a Viper, not sure. And an original paint, Ash Gold 68 SS just went at an estate auction for around 14K nearby. Small block in the car now, and interior over run by rodents I heard. Did see the car on the road 2 years ago, then it disappeared. Lil' Nicks speed shop(long gone) used to have one in blue with a 355, and Rick's Speed shop had the Wave Maker.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X33RS on January 08, 2016, 09:20:25 PM
Ha, Mighty Mouse I'd guess is a popular name.  I knew someone that ran a maroon 69 called Mighty Mouse for years and years, with a 377/4-speed combo, back halved, nice wheelies, fun to watch.  Right around the late 80's that car disappeared.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 08, 2016, 09:43:41 PM
What would be the chances of a new category in "model specific discussions" with the title of DRAG RACED CAMAROS, period 1st gens raced in the NHRA, AHRA, etc.  I refer to the historic Strickler, Jenkins, Wenzel, Beeler, Harrell, Gibb, etc.  How many 67, 68, 69 Z/28's and COPO's, etc. were dealer or individually campaigned for drag racing that are not known by all?  How many?  Who were they?  Are they ALL known?  Dealer Advertisements?, etc.

I just thought it would be very nice to have a category similar to the Trans AM Camaros for drag raced camaros!  If the spot was made for it, could it be an ongoing project?

Thanks,
Bryan

Sorry to get of on a tangent, but as you can tell, I agree.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: BillOhio on January 09, 2016, 04:26:56 AM
jano I thought you have ran your z, what did it run? I think the daughter of the guy who had mine said it was 12.98 with open exhaust.  Would be weird to see it in these pictures
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: ZLP955 on January 09, 2016, 09:24:33 AM
I wish I had some pictures to post of mine back in the day, but sadly I only have the one used as my avatar.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Bryan302 on January 09, 2016, 09:56:03 AM
Here's another avenue of approach.  If anyone has there own family photo's taken at that National event you may have attended in 1967 - 72 or so, post them.  You never know how rare those photo's may be! 

Bryan
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 09, 2016, 01:33:11 PM
jano I thought you have ran your z, what did it run? I think the daughter of the guy who had mine said it was 12.98 with open exhaust.  Would be weird to see it in these pictures

About right Bill, Jerry was high 12's (4:88's) in the white Z. I took the 302 out of it place of a 400 (90's)   Did not want to risk damage to it. My Dad' best with the 302 was 13.05/107 that was Buzzard Fest at NRP, pic with the...uggg...big L60's facing the fence. Still have the time slip of all things, so that's what I go with. Working it harder and slicks probably would have shaved some time..but I do recall severe tire bounce (prior to adding traction aides)and his constant complaints of "point bounce"  Keep it a secret, but at 14, on back roads, I got to launch and pull 2nd with the car, so have always had a good seat of the pants fill with the Z. Never made it to the track in this form, but late 80's ladder bars, ProRam 2 intake and Mallory ignition was added. Car ran very hard and revved to the sky, my best un-official time against a 442 on Rt. 58, cut me slack here, I was young. After I got out of the Air Force, acquired the car from Dad, put a 400 in it.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: BillOhio on January 09, 2016, 02:05:51 PM
I was browsing facebook last night and ran across this. no mention of Jerry.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 09, 2016, 03:16:55 PM
This thread prompted me to go looking for a photo of a '67 Camaro that was ran by Jack Cooley (of Louisiana) during those days; prior to the '67 Camaro, Jack ran a lightweight 409 '62 Chevy.   Jack is now in his 80's (he was still living a couple of years ago when I spoke to him on the phone), and is in the Drag Racing Hall of Fame, along with the racer he sold the Camaro to in 1971 (Paul Vanderley).  In the summer of '71 I purchased the 302 engine from that '67 and put it in a Henry J.  In the Camaro running 'stock class', Jack ran it to 11.67 sec quarter times (on a then-11.71 national record).   Dropped the clutch at 10,300 rpm off the line and shifted it at 9800 rpms!  :)

Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 09, 2016, 04:15:57 PM
To put you young fellas into the 'mood' of the times for '60's-early '70's drag racing, this youtube video might help...   there's even a few hots (shots?) of Linda Vaughn in her Hurst T shirt.. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSOkeVfwwc8
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: BillOhio on January 09, 2016, 04:20:19 PM
I am young enough to not remember these cars racing and my dad would think its vehicle abuse, but I know linda lol
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 09, 2016, 05:38:41 PM
I was browsing facebook last night and ran across this. no mention of Jerry.

The white 68 Z is his untouched original. Ran high 12's through the exhaust on E70-15's. 4:88 gears. It's on YouTube.
 I called him a few years back when I wasn't sure the direction I wanted to go with my car, if any. Day 2 was suggested.

BTY, mild head work went a long way with these 302's. Very stout bottom end and block. At most I/we hit a few events, little weekend warrior stuff, but enjoyed gabbing. Another Z owner I remember approached me, we talked some. He was turning somewhere mid-high 11's:head work/gears. I've seen mine enough, how about some of those king of the hill 427 cars in action! Hard to believe Dad was only early 30's in those old pics.

Should be ready to make a few passes next summer...like to see it officially beat that 13.05 time with the 302 in it, pulling gears.(not going to cheat with a full manual/brake 350 auto I got, but tempted) Also ngt 7 grand shift points, so we'll see.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on January 09, 2016, 06:04:20 PM
I think we're around the same age Bill, sounds like different background with the cars. My Dad appreciates, but is not into this stock, resto stuff at all. His take is leave the 302 on the stand, put the 413 and auto in the Z, lets build a BBC for the Anglia. Got him excited about taking the Camaro to Chicago when it's done though...open headers of course. OMG, the look on his face when he came in my shop and thought the original exhaust was going to eventually go back on it. " It's your car, do what you want with it"

All my Dad's friends where industrial mechanics . I rode in some really Bad #$@ cars as a kid. Those guys were mostly into gassers and street rods. The Anglia was different and why he jumped all over it in 89, and has been built from the ground up, twice.

Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: ds1 on February 01, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
Tried to post pictures but my files are to big to download here
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: RUNUTZ on February 01, 2016, 08:47:26 PM
This is the former Ed Hedrick Yenko camaro.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: RUNUTZ on February 01, 2016, 08:48:09 PM
last paint scheme before it disappeared.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Jon Mello on February 01, 2016, 09:07:26 PM
Stocker's Shocker '67 Z drag car
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on February 01, 2016, 10:36:55 PM
Jon,

Does the 'Stocker Shocker' have a factory engine ID emblem on it??
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Jon Mello on February 02, 2016, 05:24:24 AM
No, I don't believe so.  Do you see one somewhere that I'm not seeing?
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on February 02, 2016, 05:46:19 AM
No, that was the reason i asked..  I thought '67 Z28s had 302 emblems on the fenders?
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: jdv69z on February 02, 2016, 04:36:09 PM
I didn't think 67's had any exterior indicators other than the stripes.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Jon Mello on February 03, 2016, 02:41:16 AM
I didn't think 67's had any exterior indicators other than the stripes.

That is correct. No Z emblems or 302 engine ID on the '67s.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on February 03, 2016, 02:42:13 AM
I didn't think 67's had any exterior indicators other than the stripes.

Didn't all other 67s have engine ID emblems?  Was the Z28 the only model/engine that didn't??  (I know that I used to KNOW this but my old 40-45 yr memory is failing me more and more often..  :)    I had to go back to my photos from the 2014 Legends judging to verify...   This photo is of Charles Lingenfelter's '67 Z28...  no fender emblems...  so I suppose the 'stripes' really were 'Z28 stripes in '67) as that was the only visual identifier...

Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 68camaroz28 on February 03, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
This thread prompted me to go looking for a photo of a '67 Camaro that was ran by Jack Cooley (of Louisiana) during those days; prior to the '67 Camaro, Jack ran a lightweight 409 '62 Chevy.   Jack is now in his 80's (he was still living a couple of years ago when I spoke to him on the phone), and is in the Drag Racing Hall of Fame, along with the racer he sold the Camaro to in 1971 (Paul Vanderley).  In the summer of '71 I purchased the 302 engine from that '67 and put it in a Henry J.  In the Camaro running 'stock class', Jack ran it to 11.67 sec quarter times (on a then-11.71 national record).   Dropped the clutch at 10,300 rpm off the line and shifted it at 9800 rpms!  :)


Dropping a clutch at over 10K and shifting at almost 10K! Dang! Back then I knew of no one who could run that amount of RPM. Wonder what type of tach was used to read 10,000 rpm's?????? Is that first hand knowledge or what he said?
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on February 03, 2016, 02:42:55 PM
This thread prompted me to go looking for a photo of a '67 Camaro that was ran by Jack Cooley (of Louisiana) during those days; prior to the '67 Camaro, Jack ran a lightweight 409 '62 Chevy.   Jack is now in his 80's (he was still living a couple of years ago when I spoke to him on the phone), and is in the Drag Racing Hall of Fame, along with the racer he sold the Camaro to in 1971 (Paul Vanderley).  In the summer of '71 I purchased the 302 engine from that '67 and put it in a Henry J.  In the Camaro running 'stock class', Jack ran it to 11.67 sec quarter times (on a then-11.71 national record).   Dropped the clutch at 10,300 rpm off the line and shifted it at 9800 rpms!  :)


Dropping a clutch at over 10K and shifting at almost 10K! Dang! Back then I knew of no one who could run that amount of RPM. Wonder what type of tach was used to read 10,000 rpm's?????? Is that first hand knowledge or what he said?

Well, *I* wasn't driving it, but that is what Paul Vanderley told me when I purchased that engine from him...  both Paul and Jack Cooley are members of the Drag Racing Hall of Fame now, and I never knew Paul to lie to me.  (After getting that engine into my car, and hearing how it revved, I believed the numbers.  The engine was *instantly* at whatever rpm the accelerator pedal told it to go to...   sent adrenaline thru my body just hearing it...  AND put a smile on my face..  :)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: ds1 on February 03, 2016, 04:27:37 PM
Only  exterior cue was the stripes.    The Stocker Shocker was locally owned here in Mifflin County.   Original owner only had it about a year.   I had asked everyone I could if they new anything about it.  Then one day I was talking to Joe and found out he had it.   Great original body
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: ds1 on February 28, 2016, 11:46:39 PM
Circa 1975
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on February 29, 2016, 12:30:28 AM
If you havent seen this then you need to..  Good video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai3cnc-77ZE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai3cnc-77ZE)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on February 29, 2016, 12:45:28 AM
Ran across that a year or two ago. I like the way he timed his shifting.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on February 29, 2016, 12:49:24 AM
Its funny to see that because my father did the same thing when he was powershifting..
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on February 29, 2016, 01:05:06 AM
Sort of timing, sort of visualization. Really a lost art. Honestly, you just can't beat the consistency of a full manual, but not as fun....until you start breaking parts, lol.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on February 29, 2016, 01:26:21 AM
You going to the 19th Annual Supercar Reunion?  It's at Beech Bend again this year.  July 29th & 30th IRRC.  If I can round up a truck & trailer I might take the blue car. If not then I'll just drive up & watch in the blue or green car..  Sound be pretty fun. Private event & upwards 20 passes for the day..  Head over to SYC & look here.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/632738/scr-19#Post632738 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/632738/scr-19#Post632738)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on February 29, 2016, 11:36:19 PM
Like to, but honestly I hate spectating, and it's about a 7+ hour drive down. I'm finishing a big segment what I want done with the Z end of the month. Then pretty much going to shelve it until  Fall. Going to try to hit some Gasser meets with my Dad this summer.

Gotta ask, are they mandating c-clip eliminators with these cars?
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on March 01, 2016, 01:36:41 AM
I doubt it..  Its just a private event.  So as long as you meet tech you should be good to go..
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on March 01, 2016, 02:04:44 AM
c-clip axel shouldn't be allowed to run. " Nostalgic" or not, dangerous.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 01, 2016, 02:13:46 AM
Jano..   that's what all the Z28s came with... :)    drag racing is a dangerous sport .. at times....
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X33RS on March 01, 2016, 02:23:42 AM
LOL, Moser and Strange both make a really nice "non taper" C-clip axle to replace the weak taper pieces.   I don't like cutting my 12 bolt housing flanges  ;)  I'll go 9" before I do that.   I've run these axles for going on 20 years in a 12 bolt now, 1.5 60's yanking the wheels in a full street trim 4,108 lbs car, never a problem.

Tracks gotta be somewhat lenient or they chase all the street car guys away.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on March 01, 2016, 02:27:12 AM
I agree to an extent..  Here are Factory Stock & F.A.S.T. Rules.


Edit: X33RS posted while I was typing.  Upgrade the axles and they will hold.

http://www.fastraces.org/members/fastraces/fastraces.nsf/822dcaaaa26c6da985256dd80023623d/eb016e341bee33a58525728f00424bf6!OpenDocument (http://www.fastraces.org/members/fastraces/fastraces.nsf/822dcaaaa26c6da985256dd80023623d/eb016e341bee33a58525728f00424bf6!OpenDocument)

http://www.fastraces.org/members/fastraces/fastraces.nsf/822dcaaaa26c6da985256dd80023623d/641ea0eecc86e4048525728f00424bf5!OpenDocument (http://www.fastraces.org/members/fastraces/fastraces.nsf/822dcaaaa26c6da985256dd80023623d/641ea0eecc86e4048525728f00424bf5!OpenDocument)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: X33RS on March 01, 2016, 02:34:10 AM
Yeah I've read those very closely, between the lines  ;)  My firebird is built specifically to compete in that.  Want to take the SCJ as that would be a little more advantageous package.   I'm building the Z engine now with  PS rules in mind, with a  couple of liberties.  I'll be back east with something this summer.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on March 01, 2016, 11:14:16 AM
Jano..   that's what all the Z28s came with... :)    drag racing is a dangerous sport .. at times....

yea, I get that.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on March 01, 2016, 11:17:02 AM
Anyway, questions been answered concerning the event. Thought that's what I read previously.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: HustleRussell on March 14, 2016, 12:46:28 AM
Mac's Chevrolet Super Stock for sale.

http://www.cars-on-line.com/67219.html
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: KurtS on March 14, 2016, 04:08:36 AM
Just to be clear, that car has been proven to not be a COPO.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: hgger69 on March 14, 2016, 09:09:47 AM
Just to be clear, that car has been proven to not be a COPO.
I'm just curios, is there going to be a new category for Drag Raced Camaros or not?  ???
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: janobyte on March 17, 2016, 11:44:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxMrlWQgmw0

Guess which path I'm going with the Z. So much for that "born with exhaust". Not ready to be put out to pasture just yet...

Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: KurtS on March 18, 2016, 04:22:21 AM
At this time, there are no plans to add a new forum section for drag raced 1st gens.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: hgger69 on March 18, 2016, 07:56:07 AM
At this time, there are no plans to add a new forum section for drag raced 1st gens.
OK, thanx Kurt! :)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 18, 2016, 04:48:53 PM
that's probably a better category for adding to TC than for CRG....
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on May 26, 2016, 03:39:46 AM
Did anyone attempt to get a 'Drag Raced Camaros' section added to TC?    If not, has there been any further discussion or consideration for adding a section here?  For example, as Bryan302 suggested. 
(Would this be a huge undertaking for whomever had to add it...?)

Model Specific Discussions

    Trans-Am Camaros
             1st gens raced in the SCCA Trans-Am series - history, pics, status, etc.

    Drag Raced Camaros
             1st gen Camaros famed for drag racing in NHRA, AHRA, - history, pics, status, etc.

    Foreign Camaros
          Discussions of exported Camaros or Camaros assembled at non-US plants

    6-cylinder Camaros
          Dedicated to the other 20% of Camaro production
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on May 26, 2016, 11:18:20 AM
I would be willing to do the work if there was interest from the core members..
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: blackss69 on May 26, 2016, 12:20:25 PM
This is really good idea.  Much of the past history on the Camaro is about drag racing.  Look at the reason for the COPOs.  It would take extra effort but would really be a great place to "hang out"

Thanks
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Bryan302 on May 26, 2016, 04:01:43 PM
I don't see how it would have to be so much work on any particular person!  It seems that the drag racing section would be almost self supportive, by US putting photos on and talking about this great sport and the vast amount of archival information to be gained. 

Please remember, as I suggested that the subject of the new section was to be ORIGINALLY CAMPAIGNED Camaro's of 1967 - 1972 or so.  I also know that thousands of camaro's were put on the drag strip in the 1980's and 90's, these are NOT originally campaigned and should not be considered for this section.  Drag racing of TODAY, shouldn't be a subject unless an original 1st gen originally campaigned camaro is involved.

The white 67 Z28 in the showroom, that was put on the thread recently is the perfect topic or another dealer from tim buck too that bought a 68 z or a 69 copo and put it on the strip with the dealer name sponsored on the side, etc.  The professional drivers and teams also have unseen photo's out there, taken by families that went to that national event in 67, 68, 69, etc.

Please consider this section, and make an archival tool out of it!

Bryan

Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 26, 2016, 04:58:14 PM
Probably should specify "Originally Campaigned in Class Racing in NHRA, IHRA" because many guys raced their car on weekends and drove them on the street through the week and these cars, albeit interesting, do not fit the criteria I think you are trying to establish.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Bryan302 on May 26, 2016, 06:35:46 PM
Bently, and others, I too were one of the later drag racers and street racers, and I personally attended several of the national events of the original time period.  I also like talking about "our time" in these events.

But, as I originally posted from day one at the first post listed that it would be nice to see and hear about the ORIGINAL, period 1st gens, and the HISTORIC, DEALER or INDIVUDIAL CAMPAIGNED 1967 -1969 Camaro's of that day.

This section was hoped to be meaningful and historically correct.  A section that enthusiast could talk about the different options that were available for the dealer installed race cars.  How many variations were there for factory headers for 1968.  Was there only one manufacturer of these headers?  Were they built the exact same? etc.

Bently, I also smell what your stepping in with the OUR DAY in drag racing, I was there too.  But no, this is about THEM and our history, not us.

Thanks,
Bryan
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 26, 2016, 07:33:54 PM
Bently, and others, I too were one of the later drag racers and street racers, and I personally attended several of the national events of the original time period.  I also like talking about "our time" in these events.

But, as I originally posted from day one at the first post listed that it would be nice to see and hear about the ORIGINAL, period 1st gens, and the HISTORIC, DEALER or INDIVUDIAL CAMPAIGNED 1967 -1969 Camaro's of that day.

This section was hoped to be meaningful and historically correct.  A section that enthusiast could talk about the different options that were available for the dealer installed race cars.  How many variations were there for factory headers for 1968.  Was there only one manufacturer of these headers?  Were they built the exact same? etc.

Bently, I also smell what your stepping in with the OUR DAY in drag racing, I was there too.  But no, this is about THEM and our history, not us.

Thanks,
Bryan
All I can figure is you did not understand what I said. I never mentioned anything about my time, our time or whatever ?  I just clarified, or tried to, that when you said originally campaigned you should have added or clarified cars that were run in class racing like stock, super stock. You need to re-read my post. In fact, that thing you say I stepped in was the very thing I was saying should not be subject matter. Did anyone else understand this differently?
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on May 27, 2016, 12:36:42 PM
Think you guys are saying to same thing just in different ways..  Regardless everyone is on the same page so lets move on. 

All that aside what is the difference in having this vs the Trans Am section we have now?  If the answer is nothing then why not have it? 
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: HawkX66 on May 27, 2016, 02:10:35 PM
All that aside what is the difference in having this vs the Trans Am section we have now?  If the answer is nothing then why not have it? 
1/4 mile drags vs. Trans Am if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: cook_dw on May 27, 2016, 03:15:31 PM
Smarta$$ I meant whats the difference in the two when it comes to Camaro history?  None.  Meaning they both hold value..
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: HawkX66 on May 27, 2016, 06:36:32 PM
Smarta$$ I meant whats the difference in the two when it comes to Camaro history?  None.  Meaning they both hold value..
;-)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: NorCam69 on June 13, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
A couple pics of a 69Z I now own after it was raced for 45 years. It spent 14 years racing S/S by it's original & second owner (friends) and another 30 years as a bracket car with the next couple owners. I am now in the midst of restoring the car but love it's long history as a drag car in the Pacific Northwest.

Calgary 1970 - Mostly stock looking then. Paired with Wosolinski's Tuff Nuff Hemi Cuda
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/005-KymMiller-SS-Calgary.jpg)

Edmonton 1971/1972 - Stripes extended down the rear but still looking stock.
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/004-KymMiller-SS-Edmonton-Noseworthy.jpg)

Fort St John BC 1973 - Home after mini tubs added and front solo stripe added
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/008-KymMiller-SS-Miller-Meter.jpg)

Matched up in Seattle with a 55 Post and seeing "Suddenly" 67 Camaro in the background.
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/002-KymMiller-SS-Seattle-Suddenly.jpg)

Seattle 1974 - Newer paint scheme resembling a Motion Camaro
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/001-KymMiller-SS-Seattle_1.jpg)

Seattle 1978 - Additional side stripe added with rear deck in white.
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/007-KymMiller-SS-Seatlle78-Art-Congdon.jpg)

Oregon Woodburn 1980 - Second owner with car in the staging lanes.
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/003%20Becker%20Z28.jpg)

Seattle 1981 - Heavy hitters like Rehr Morrison, Yule, Lambreck, McKinney, Wosolinski and others in the background.
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/002%20Becker%20Z28.jpg)

Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on June 14, 2016, 03:13:36 AM
Quite a nice drag history on your '69, NorCam.. :)    Do you have any current photos?
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: Bryan302 on June 14, 2016, 03:32:21 AM
NorCam, Just curious, What are your plans for the restoration?  Are you going back original as it came or restored to the early days of it's drag racing career?  Does any of the original drive train still exist?

Great Car!!

Bryan
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: NorCam69 on June 14, 2016, 08:27:59 AM
Full history and restoration on www.x77z28.com

Original engine replaced with 350/255 during its Super Stock days. Original trans was changed out too. Original diff was still in the car when I bought it but was twisted and hacked up too far. Replaced diff with date correct BV rear and have 2 motors and trans to choose from for completion. Body is finished but still deciding on Day 2 tweaks to keep some nostalgia in it. Hoping to track down the original block some day. It was sold off at a swap meet back in the 70's. I know full ownership back to day 1 with 1st and 2nd owners keeping a close eye on the cars restoration. Does have GM Canada paperwork in addition to a lot of paper supplied to me by the original owner. Neat car in either case and will have most if not all date correct running gear when it's finished up.

Current picture with body and paint just completed - before reassembly.
(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/DBL_NKL/69%20Z28/Moving.jpg)
Title: Re: Category for 1st Gen. Drag Raced Camaros??
Post by: 69Z28-RS on June 14, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
The car is looking good Norcam!~ ... returning to it's 'factory glory' from it's long time drag strip glory..  :)