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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Warren on November 04, 2015, 07:23:43 PM
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Have a 69 Camaro built in Nov. 68 before X codes were put on cowl tag. Complete drivetrain has been replaced. Any possible way to determine if it is in fact a z28 car ? Appreciate any help in this. Thanks. :)
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Does it have original 15 x 7 Rally Wheels? if so what is the wheel code and date code by the valve stem? There are other "clues", but probably no way to verify 100% without drive train. Without the original 302, it may be a moot point anyway.
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I'm not a Z28 person (I'm a '67 SS guy) but from what I have read here, some markings behind the rear seat could indicate usage on a Z28 if I remember right. I'll let others more knowledgeable, and there are many here, chime in. But ,if you can remove the rear seat back and check for any faint markings around the top passenger side metal between the inside and trunk that may help.
Mike
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Have a 69 Camaro built in Nov. 68 before X codes were put on cowl tag. Complete drivetrain has been replaced. Any possible way to determine if it is in fact a z28 car ? Appreciate any help in this. Thanks. :)
There are some clues, but if the engine, transmission and rear axle are all gone, it would be difficult.
What makes you think it could have been a Z28?
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Check Z/28..............http://www.camaros.org/diffs69.shtml
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Sad to say but without paperwork you will never know. Google the vin and maybe the engine might turn up.
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Does the car have original paint with stripes? Assume the rear end has been swapped, as you said the entire drivetrain has been replaced? As suggested, if it's a Norwood-built car (if the VIN contains an 'N' and the trim tag has 'NOR' on it) there is a chance that the rear seat bulkhead may have something written on it that could help ID it.
Otherwise, there are lots of clues that could add up to hint at a factory Z, but most if not all of those can be recreated now with repro parts, or by adding original used correct pieces.
Some clues would be a Muncie speedo cable firewall piercing, exhaust hanger reinforcement plate on driver's side rear frame rail, power brakes with front discs, multi-leaf springs, torch-cut shifter hole in the trans tunnel, in-dash tach (although not mandatory on an early Z), tire pressure decal, emission label, etc.
There is so much fakery going on that it is well worth spending time researching all the Z-specific stuff here and over at Team Camaro.
Plenty of folks here who will help if you can provide as much info as possible - good luck!
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2x on what everyone has stated previously.
If any glimmer of hope is that it was built in Los Angeles (LOS on the trim tag, pre Dec.) and maybe the broadcast sheet is above the fuel tank. Or if Norwood (Nor) built maybe an X code is marked on the rear seat bulkhead.
Other than that repro and original parts can be bought and added to appear like a Z. Which is why there's twice as many Z's that were ever produced out there now.
Good luck and welcome aboard :)
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Without the original drivetrain, it probably does not matter that much. Lots of little things to look for but all you get in the end is peace of mind.
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If it has the original 15 x 7 AD wheels dated before the build date of the car, that's a pretty strong clue, as finding the correct original wheels would be a tough task in itself. Not to mention expensive. I'm guessing the wheels are long gone as well?
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What about the rear springs?