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Title: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 22, 2015, 02:41:09 PM
There is a separate thread asking about 1969 Z28 Camaros with the RS option and production numbers.  There are no solid numbers on how many 1969 Z28s also had the RS option, so we are doing this poll.  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 69Z28-RS on May 22, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
The question should be:    "Is your 69 Z28 and *original RS*, or was the RS equipment added later"?
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 22, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
I will make a clarification on that.  Thanks Gary.

FOR THOSE THAT ALREADY VOTED - I changed the categories.  So you may have to change your vote.  I apologize for the inconvenience on that but Gary's suggestion was a very good one. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: X33RS on May 22, 2015, 03:21:00 PM
Original here, but I can't tell if my vote was moved or not, as of right now there is only 1 vote for a real RS Z.  Am I the only one??  I don't see any options to change or even check my vote.

Edit:   haha, I figured it out, I removed my vote and then reinstated it, sure enough it now shows 2 RS votes.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: Steve Shauger on May 22, 2015, 06:30:43 PM
If you own multiple RS/Z's how can you place additional votes.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 22, 2015, 06:45:35 PM
Steve, let me check on that.  I am not sure at the moment.

Edit:  OK I checked, and added the max number of votes to 5.  If anyone has more than 5, send me a PM.  If you have multiple cars and multiple votes, feel free to let us know in the thread with a post.  No requirement for that though.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: BSMIT59 on May 23, 2015, 12:38:41 AM
Well if you got more than 5 you might be a Hoarder. I will help you out by taking any excess.........
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 24, 2015, 05:32:34 PM
"Collector" might be a more appropriate term.  But I hear you!  :D
 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: jmcbeth on May 24, 2015, 10:12:30 PM
I once heard that, although Chevrolet did not keep detailed statistics,  it was estimated that about 10% of the '69 Z/28s were delivered with the RS option. Has anyone else heard this? That would make the total about 2,000.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 69Z28-RS on May 24, 2015, 10:47:08 PM
I believe the 10% estimate.. or 1 in 10...  That would be about half of the 'avg' RS quantities applied by the 'statisticians'.. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 24, 2015, 11:11:29 PM
I have never heard anything like that.

Gary, it is hard to disagree with solid number evidence from the database.
And you are seeing the numbers in the poll, right? ;D

Rare to me would mean less than 1000 cars in a model year.

Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: JohnZ on May 25, 2015, 12:43:37 AM
I just voted my all-original X33 NOR non-RS Z/28. RS is about the only option the original (Canadian) owner missed - it has every option you could get on a Z/28 except the tilt wheel, RS, and VE3 bumper. A Canadian-sold Z/28 with all these options is pretty unusual.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 69Z28-RS on May 25, 2015, 04:29:02 AM
I have never heard anything like that.

Gary, it is hard to disagree with solid number evidence from the database.
And you are seeing the numbers in the poll, right? ;D

Rare to me would mean less than 1000 cars in a model year.

Bryon,  hmmm.. so you are contending that a sample size of 26 is sufficient data?   :)   so using our data so far, NO ONE outside the factory has ever added RS equipment to a Z28?? ... :)

PS NO Camaro that I'm aware of is 'rare' in the collector car sense.. and I never contended that a Z28/RS was *rare*...  ALL I said was that Z28's got a lesser percentage of the RS options installed at the factory than other 'models'.. ie..  the SS versions...  :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: X33RS on May 25, 2015, 02:49:15 PM

Rare to me would mean less than 1000 cars in a model year.



Those are my thoughts exactly and why I started that previous thread to begin with because I've had a few people approach me (including a close friend) about the rarity of the RS Z.  In my opinion, it's not.  I believe everyones estimates here in earlier discussions of likely 3,000-5,000 made are probably pretty close and not rare in a numbers sense of the word by any means.   I was never looking for an exact number, just a ballpark, and I think those estimates are reasonable. 
   Considering there were 20,000+ Z28's made in 69, which is nothing rare at all, it's a pretty good bet there were a good number of RS's mixed in there.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 25, 2015, 03:13:14 PM
Gary, it's OK.  Just messin' with you a little.  :D
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: HOT3O2 on May 25, 2015, 03:27:00 PM
I took a quick look at the 69 Z's on e-bay.  From what I saw there were 10 regular Z's and 1 RS for sale. This isn't scientific and can't say 100% there all original. But then again were all just speculating here anyway.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 25, 2015, 07:21:56 PM
Bill posted this hightlighted line below in the other thread that is going on this topic. 

The CRG db has just over 1400 Z/28s; 18.55% are also RS.

The is a decent size sample.  Not speculation.    :)

I doubt there are many people that have seen that many Z28s in a lifetiime. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 68camaroz28 on May 25, 2015, 08:53:05 PM
Bryon, have two close friends that have non RS orig. z/28's. Since they do not spend time normally on this site and if I ask them can I vote for their cars with my votes? Or is it just for member owned cars?
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 26, 2015, 02:53:32 AM
Chick as long as they are 69s I think that is fine.

Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 6667ss138 on May 26, 2015, 05:02:18 AM
I have two local friends and my Brother that have 6 "real deal" 69 Z's between them. Two are factory RS Z/28's and the other four are not. One of the RS Z's is a Daytona Yellow with yellow houndstooth deluxe interior (POP, numbers car that has been in the area since new) and the other is an Azure Turquoise with white houndstooth deluxe interior, JM certified.
I have already added my non RS Z car to the poll.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 26, 2015, 05:30:41 AM
Len, are any of those two friends or your brother members on the site?  It would help if at least one was.  You can put in up to 5,  but since you already voted once, that would limit you to 4 more.  One way or the other we will get it figured out.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 6667ss138 on May 26, 2015, 06:05:16 AM
Bryon, no, unfortunately they are not members. I've know the guys and their cars for many years and know the cars are validated. I thought I would just mention them in case you wanted to include them. If not I understand. I don't want to confuse things.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on May 26, 2015, 01:08:30 PM
How about we keep those as a side note, and after a few more weeks we will look at the numbers then?  At that point, we will add those into the totals. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on March 02, 2016, 06:54:28 AM
There haven't been any posts for a while but the latest results were 23 1969 Z28s without the RS option and 17 with the RS option.  :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: X33RS on March 02, 2016, 12:29:23 PM
Wow, that's close to even.   I'm glad this popped back up, I lost track of it.  I went back and re-read the posts.  One of your posts Bryon caught my attention.   I'm surprised that out of 20,302 Z28's produced in just 69 alone that you only have 1400 in the registry.  I would have guessed that number to be much higher.

I also have been wondering, could it be that possibly RS cars are more likely to be saved by collectors as to the reason why we have almost an even number split in the polls between RS and non RS?  That might skew the numbers a bit.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: dale_z28 on March 02, 2016, 12:59:19 PM
I hadn't seen this poll until now, so I voted... I previously owned another Z28 (non-RS) so maybe it should be counted, as well?
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on March 02, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
I hadn't seen this poll until now, so I voted... I previously owned another Z28 (non-RS) so maybe it should be counted, as well?

I would say YES it would be OK to vote again in your case.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: Hans L on March 02, 2016, 04:22:06 PM
Missed this poll the first time around so just "voted" and added my Z/28 w/RS equipment, factory installed to the tally.   Documented on the  chassis broadcast copy as RS equipped. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on March 02, 2016, 05:58:47 PM
I previously owned another Z28 (non-RS) so maybe it should be counted, as well?

I would say YES it would be OK to vote again in your case.

Thanks!

Oops! Byron, I just assumed that was OK when I originally voted back in May 2015.

Paul
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: dale_z28 on March 02, 2016, 06:37:46 PM
I previously owned another Z28 (non-RS) so maybe it should be counted, as well?

I would say YES it would be OK to vote again in your case.

Thanks!

Oops! Byron, I just assumed that was OK when I originally voted back in May 2015.

Paul
I wasn't able to cast another "vote", maybe because it's one vote per member (or login). No biggie
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: ko-lek-tor on March 02, 2016, 06:46:57 PM
Like Len, I have a friend (not a member) who has a REAL 69 ZRS and has owned the car since 72, so I believe him when he says it is a real ZRS. Can I vote for him? I do not own a Z myself.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on March 02, 2016, 06:55:57 PM
I do not own a Z myself.

 :'(

Paul
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 02, 2016, 07:16:18 PM
...    I do not own a Z myself.

Like most such shortcomings, they are correctable, Bentley... just as that one is.. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 02, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
Bill posted this hightlighted line below in the other thread that is going on this topic. 

The CRG db has just over 1400 Z/28s; 18.55% are also RS.

The is a decent size sample.  Not speculation.    :)

I am surprised out of 5074 members on the CRG that nearly 30% (1400) are 69 Z/28 owners.

While I would like to see more Z/28 owners , I always am looking forward to seeing new first GEN members, (especially those with pictures!)

I doubt there are many people that have seen that many Z28s in a lifetiime. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: KurtS on March 02, 2016, 08:08:44 PM
Bill posted this hightlighted line below in the other thread that is going on this topic. 

The CRG db has just over 1400 Z/28s; 18.55% are also RS.

The is a decent size sample.  Not speculation.    :)

I am surprised out of 5074 members on the CRG that nearly 30% (1400) are 69 Z/28 owners.
That is not what Bill said or is talking about.
Read: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=5444.0
btw, there's over 2000 Z's in the database now.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 02, 2016, 08:59:31 PM
ok,  now I understand. Sorry for the misinterpretation. I thought that voting was just based on members
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on March 03, 2016, 07:33:45 AM
I thought about this more, and to limit duplication, from this point forward let's keep it to cars you own currently.

If you know of someone with a First Generation Camaro, encourage them to join. And if they have a 69 Z28, they can vote.

For anyone that wants to share their car information (any type of 67-69 Camaro) for the CRG database, we would appreciate it. It is used for research/statistical purposes and will be kept confidential. We generally like to have pics of the VIN tag, body tag, and the engine pad with stamped information. Transmission and axle stamp pics are also appreciated. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: x77-69z28 on March 03, 2016, 06:25:41 PM
If you own multiple RS/Z's how can you place additional votes.
showoff!
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: jdv69z on March 03, 2016, 09:34:36 PM
That is not what Bill said or is talking about.
Read: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=5444.0
btw, there's over 2000 Z's in the database now.


So what's the sample size for a statistical analysis? Is it 10%? Of the 2000 Z's, how many are 68,69? Might be close to do an analysis on colors, etc? Sort of like in JM's book?
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on March 03, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
Color percentage estimates here.
http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#ColorPercentages

Search around on the main CRG page (Exterior, Interior, Engine, etc. links). Also check out the reports when you have time. :)

Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: cook_dw on March 03, 2016, 10:15:31 PM
Color percentage estimates here.
http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#ColorPercentages

Search around on the main CRG page (Exterior, Interior, Engine, etc. links). Also check out the reports when you have time. :)




That chart gave me a headache.. :P
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on March 03, 2016, 10:20:38 PM
Excedrin usually helps. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 03, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
how often do you update the paint chart % as cars are documented? Do you update it when you add 20 cars or once a year?
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: cook_dw on March 03, 2016, 10:50:37 PM
Excedrin usually helps. :)

I meant its all out of line and runs together..  At least when I look at it anyways.. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on March 04, 2016, 01:02:56 AM
Excedrin usually helps. :)

I meant its all out of line and runs together..  At least when I look at it anyways.. 

Seems lined up for me. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on March 04, 2016, 01:03:53 AM
how often do you update the paint chart % as cars are documented? Do you update it when you add 20 cars or once a year?

It's been a few years since it was updated. I will ask Kurt about that.

Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: cook_dw on March 04, 2016, 01:06:01 AM
Excedrin usually helps. :)

I meant its all out of line and runs together..  At least when I look at it anyways.. 

Seems lined up for me. :)

Yeah must be the browser settings at work. It's fine at home..  Go figure.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: KurtS on March 06, 2016, 07:52:03 AM
how often do you update the paint chart % as cars are documented? Do you update it when you add 20 cars or once a year?
Austin,
The date is listed right at the top of the chart.

It's a lot of work to generate and with the size of the database, the percentages don't move much, even after another thousand cars gets added.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: BULLITT65 on March 06, 2016, 09:38:20 PM
good to know. thanks for the continued work and dedication, for the rest of us to observe.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: KurtS on March 18, 2016, 05:06:24 AM
Coming back the to the paint percentages, I recalculated and updated them for probably the last time.
It's based on 18,000 vehicles and no paint color changed more the 0.5% vs the last time. The data is stable.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: Z10Mike on March 18, 2016, 01:44:14 PM
Add another one.  I have a Norwood produced 12B X33 76B factory RS car. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: X33RS on March 18, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
2 weeks before my X33 RS.  Cool, not many documented in this time frame from what I'm told.
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: BULLITT65 on June 02, 2017, 06:25:46 AM
only 1 vote per member?
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: bcmiller on June 02, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
only 1 vote per member?

It's been set at a maximum of 5 votes per person for a while. If you have more than 5, you need to give me one. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z28 Camaro owners - does your car have the RS option too?
Post by: sixt9x33rs on June 04, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
Original '69 RS Z here. 03D, VE3, flat hood no spoiler.