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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: jvc7450 on March 05, 2015, 10:59:14 PM
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Hi II am new to this forum, Thanks for having me!! I have just purchased a 69 Z28 all documentation says it is real, but how do I really know?? My car was made the first week in January 1969 in LA. Any help would be appreciated!
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You could start by posting photos of the documentation you have. Experts on this site can tell if it is real.
Paul
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Show lots of pictures. You came to the right place. The best and most knowledgeable first gen Camaro experts in the land are here. They will know!
Good luck and welcome!
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Thanks guys!! I just brought it up from Florida and I hve put it in storage since we still have snow on the ground here in Wisconsin. I will post some pics I have. Would a vin # help??
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Ahem, is someone standing on a rug with their pants down in the first pic? (reflection above marker light).
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Being an LA car, pictures of your engine pad stamp and as Paul mentioned, pictures of your documents are the best way to verify it as an original Z.
You can compare your VIN to trim tag build date here.
http://camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany
You can also learn how to verify you hidden VIN as well as decode your trim tag interior and exterior colors here.
http://camaros.org/numbers.shtml#PartialVIN
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Don't be afraid of posting here - the extreme and vast majority of people that watch and comment on this site are here to help, and not to disparage your car. I've visited other sites over the years where that's not always the case. You'll get what you look and ask about a very high percentage of the time, with fair and honest opinions from just about everyone. I've owned a Z for a long time, and I still learn something about it constantly from the topics and postings here. That's what this forum is known for, in my opinion (for what it's worth).
You've got enough '69 Z owners, experts and aficionados represented here to dissect any feature on the car, start to finish. That being said, when you post your documentation please remember that you'll get a pretty firm opinion of validity, so be prepared for it.
Welcome to the CRG - post away !
P.S. Good looking car - really like the color combo -
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Ahem, is someone standing on a rug with their pants down in the first pic? (reflection above marker light).
Yes don't be afraid to post here, not everyone here looks for exposed people in reflections of the cars.... :D
(Bentley if that is what caught your attention in the first pic, you may need to get out more...j/k)
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Seriously though, your pics look good. Yes a vin will help, as well as a pic of the firewall tag, and a pic of the DZ motor stamp, and, as mentioned before, any docs you might have received with the car.
There are a couple small things that could be changed (to be more factory correct), but all in all the car looks real nice so far. ;D
(we all love pictures, so keep them coming)
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I would not have noticed the reflection myself. Good looking car
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Thanks so much guys! Very much appreciate all the help! Also another CRG member does not live to far from me, would like to come see the car. We are excited to meet him. This is a numbers matching car. vin is 124379L514855. Built in Los Angeles, 14,855th car built that year. This car was built the first week of January and the motor was built the 3rd week.
Engine block # 3956618 original DZ 302 block, balanced and bluprinted. Intake manifold# 3932472 original snowflake manifold.
carbureter # 3923289-dz (original 4 bbl holley for a 69 z -28
cylinder Heads # 3927186 2.02/1.60 double hump correct for z-28
Transmission muncie M-21 close ratio 4 speed with correct hurst shutter
12 bolt rear with 3.73 positraction
93,604 documented miles
This is what I know. The car came with a big box of documents and 60 pictures of all numbers and speedo. I am pretty sure this is the real deal.
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"This car was built the first week of January and the motor was built the 3rd week."
That raises a flag / question. It should be the other way around. The engine cast and assembly date should be before the car build date, not after.
Got any pictures of that engine pad stamp?
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Here's the eBay listing from December, 2014...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Z-28-039-s-matching-/261710282657?nma=true&si=Jr3MuZe0RLUoKv3aUXFU0lLAqbA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Cowl tag...
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/0C8AAOSw2XFUmMgI/$_57.JPG)
No engine stamp in eBay listing. :(
Paul
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Post a picture of the numbers and letters stamped in front of the passenger side cylinder head when you have time. You might need to remove the alternator to get a good pic.
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Based on a December 31 1968 final LA VIN L513817, a January 31 1969 final LA VIN L520247 and 22 working days, this car was built the 3-4 working days into January 1969; January 6-7...early second week.
I look forward to seeing stamps & casting dates...
Paul
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I like on the E-Bay ad he states: Exterior Color 71B = Lemans blue, repaint done in the 90's with correct black z strips)
I guess he thought the "B" was for black stripes not a black vinyl top.
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I like on the E-Bay ad he states: Exterior Color 71B = Lemans blue, repaint done in the 90's with correct black z strips)
I guess he thought the "B" was for black stripes not a black vinyl top.
Well to be fair it does have the correct stripe color because it had a black vinyl top originally. Unless it was special ordered with white like in other cases that I have seen.
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"This car was built the first week of January and the motor was built the 3rd week."
That raises a flag / question. It should be the other way around. The engine cast and assembly date should be before the car build date, not after.
Got any pictures of that engine pad stamp?
When you read the eBay ad, it states "Oriiginal DZ302 block". Fine point, but it doesn't say "The" original engine block. May not be a matching numbers car, but obviously can still be an origianl Z. Need to take a peek at documentation -
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We have plans to examine the car, restoration photos and documents on Monday. This won't be a JM style appraisal; they requested help and I am happy to provide it. I will discuss my thoughts and opinions privately with the owners; they are free to share them here if they wish.
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Thanks for the update.