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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: LemansBlueZ28 on January 29, 2015, 08:47:00 PM
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Hi! I am new to the forum. I just recently bought a very nice Z28 and just wanted to tell you a little about my car and get opinions from you as to what you all think the value may be. It is a really cool car. I have known about it for several years and the owner finally decided to sell. I am now the 4th owner and was able to track back ownership and speak to the 2nd owner that bought the car from a friend back in 1984. Here are the details.. It is 100% rust free with all original body panels. it is an X33 D80 car. It is coded 71 B which I found is Lemans Blue with a black vinyl top. The car has had 1 repaint. The vinyl top was removed and it now has white stripes. I am assuming the original stripe color would have been black with the black vinyl top?? It still retains 100% of its original black interior and it is near flawless. The drivetrain... engine(original DZ), trans, and rear is all numbers matching. It has its original carb, intake, distributor, pullies, etc. It does have a few minor modifications like headers, chrome hood latch, chrome oil pan, and chrome rear cover. All in All... a super clean totally rust free car with a super clean rock solid undercarriage. The paint is also near flawless. Ok guys..I already bought it because I love the car but educate me... Whats the current value according to my description? Thanks in advance for your help!
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You asked the same question: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/599057
Try us for a different one. :)
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I am sorry. I thought this was a different forum and there may be different opinions. Again, I apologize. I won't ask any more questions about this car.
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I am sorry. I thought this was a different forum and there may be different opinions. Again, I apologize. I won't ask any more questions about this car.
Welcome! Pics are the key my friend to an honest appraisal you seek. Many of the same folks on the other site frequent this one as well. Mr. Lillard's opinion is probably spot on and the best you could get without pics. He certainly has bought enough Camaros and seen enough to give the insight he has given. Any other price would be meerly conjecture at this point as this subjective topic is based on so many factors.
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Thank you very much for your reply. Makes total sense.
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Welcome Lemans Z, No question is a dumb question.. it's how we learn. Hope you hang around to share and post pics and tell a little about your Z. We like pics ;D
Many members here are also on Yenko, as well as Team Camaro. You can find great info at all three and I think each place serves a particular purpose. As far as a value..as Bentley said "is based on so many factors". IMHO....I think your $50K is a good starting point and puts you in the ball park. From there the scale could go up depending on how much originality it retains such as documents (POP & papers), correct born with drive-line, parts and metal. Or it could go down real fast if it's a clone, non original drive-line, all after market parts..ect !
Enjoy it :) and you've come to the right place if you wanna learn about these babies ;D
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Hey guys! These are some pics of the car I was asking you questions about.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0296_zps4801563e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0296_zps4801563e.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/IMG_0076_zps6b210a9e.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/IMG_0076_zps6b210a9e.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0304_zps03f6b222.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0304_zps03f6b222.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0302_zps50bd9f35.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0302_zps50bd9f35.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0301_zpsd8b74879.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0301_zpsd8b74879.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0303_zps7adfb31c.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0303_zps7adfb31c.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0307_zpsc08164d8.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0307_zpsc08164d8.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dakotausa/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0308_zps8ce6e7b4.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/dakotausa/media/1969%20Camaro%20Z-28/DSC_0308_zps8ce6e7b4.jpg.html)
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Very pretty car! What's the VIN, or at least the first 3 digits after 124379N?
You might need to put a kit through the carburetor, looks like it is (or has been) leaking onto the intake manifold.
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Vin is 124379N674429. yes..carburetor definitely did leak at one time but doesn't now.
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Any pics of the transmission or rear axle codes?
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Hi.. No pics but I will try to get some. I have verified the partial vin on the trans
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Does it seem like this cowl tag has been removed, and re-riveted back on? What is the ghost paint line in the upper left corner and along the top of the tag?.. Danny
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That appears to me to be a 'mask line' where someone masked off the tag and cleaned/painted the firewall, probably during restoration (which is the best approach in my mind) vs removing the tag....
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That appears to me to be a 'mask line' where someone masked off the tag and cleaned/painted the firewall, probably during restoration (which is the best approach in my mind) vs removing the tag....
x2, I'll take the same approach. Btw is that your '71 383 Cuda ? Sweet ride ! My second car in high school ('80-82) was a '72 Cuda Plum Crazy Purple, 318, white bucket int w/black dash and carpet and a white vinyl top. Boy how I wish I had it back :(
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Hi! Yes that is my 71 Cuda. It is a really neat car. It is numbers matching and only had 3 previous owners. Wow.. Your high school car sounds like it was really awesome!
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Also.. I am almost certain myself that it is a mask line. I don't think that the tag has ever been off.
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When you have a chance, could you check and confirm the carb date code? The bottom half of the stamp is very faint but to me looks like 8B1. Chances are that I'm misreading it, that would not fit with an 08D (of 69) build if it's original to the car.
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Hi.. I think you are correct. It looks to me like the stamping is either 831 or 8B1 and after doing a little research I see that this date would not be original to my car. The man I bought the car from said it was original. I have known him for a very long time and I don't think he tried to mislead me, I just think he didn't understand the date code. He probably saw the rest of the numbers and figured it was original. I was hoping it was as well but that's why I posted pics. I am looking for you guys to educate me. At least I am fortunate enough that it does appear to be an original Z28 carb.
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Correct assembly line carbs were dated as yr-month-week (3 digits). Service replacements were 4 digits after 1973 I believe. 1-0 represented the months Jan-Oct and the letters A and B were used for Nov and Dec.. So if yours is a B (Dec) then yes it's the wrong dated carb. You'll just need to look at it close as it appears somewhat scuffed towards the bottom half. Also 9's can almost look like an 8 (1st digit). It could be a 981 thus falling in line with the 08D build on the cowl tag. ???
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I am looking for you guys to educate me.
Not a great pic, but pad looks good.
Tag looks good, but also looks like it was off the car at one time.
Too bad they didn't fix the hole next to the tag. A lot harder to fix now...
Replating the booster and m/c cover would make a big appearance difference, IMO.
Nice car. ;)
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Yes.. I agree.. Replating those items would make a big difference. I also wish the hole next to the tag would have been fixed. The 2nd owner that I spoke with is the one that had the car painted in the mid to late 90's and I guess they just didn't pay quite as much attention to detail as they should have back then. The paint and body on the car is quite remarkable though and it retains all of its original body panels. I am not sure if the tag was ever removed from the car. I will contact the 2nd owner to ask him to see if he remembers. He bought it in 1984.
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re the 'hole'.. measure the diameter, and go to Lowes or another similar store and buy a black plastic pop in plug and it will make that hole 'not as obvious' until you get opportunity to weld it up... :)
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Ok.. Thanks for the tip!
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re the 'hole'.. measure the diameter, and go to Lowes or another similar store and buy a black plastic pop in plug and it will make that hole 'not as obvious' until you get opportunity to weld it up... :)
Great minds think alike Gary. I buy those pop in plugs for a lot of my cars to fill in stock holes that I don't want to weld up, in case I want to use them later.
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The pop in plugs are a good interim solution if you aren't ready to tear the car down, weld up the holes, and repaint....
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Very happy. I had the motor pulled out of the Z28 because I am going to have a friend of mine freshen up the motor and detail it a bit. I was able to find the partial vin by the oil filter. Now I know the car has its original motor and trans. I just have to find the rear numbers.
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Fixing that hole is not a big deal, no need to tear the entire firewall apart to do so. Might as well do it when you redo the booster and MC. Line around tag is obviously a mis-tape. Best to overtape and cut tight with an X-acto. I like the 'Cuda more.
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Very happy. I had the motor pulled out of the Z28 because I am going to have a friend of mine freshen up the motor and detail it a bit. I was able to find the partial vin by the oil filter. Now I know the car has its original motor and trans. I just have to find the rear numbers.
Since the motor is out can you get a more direct and clear pic of your stamp on the pad and of the VIN stamp near the filter ? My partial VIN stamp (like many) was hard to read, in fact I didn't even think I had one due to being covered with paint. I used a brass wire brush and paint thinner and whala !
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Hi.. Yes.. I will try to get a pic. I was the same way. At first I was getting disappointed because I didn't see the number and then after scuffing it with a wire brush and applying a little paint thinner it started to appear. I was sure happy to find it!!
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I agree with Kurt you may want to replate your m/c and booster while the engine is out of the car. Looks like someone took the black paint off of your fan blades. If so you can use Krylon 1613 to refinish the blades. If you want you can have a really good time putting the last original detail touches on your car. You have a great place to start. Very nice car and an original drive train is great. Most important is to have fun and drive it.
Lawrence
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Like I mentioned, it looks like the tag was pulled and re-riveted back on, possibly with non factory rivets. We would have to see what they look like from the back under the cowl. Should be similar to picture.... D
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Danny, I'm not so sure if that's a good indication or not. I'm 110% positive neither of my 2 TT's have ever been remove. One being just a plane jane X11 and neither of my 2 look close to what your pic is. Here's my X11 fathom green pic from the back side