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Title: 1969 Z/28
Post by: RPOZ28 on January 22, 2015, 12:49:10 AM
 Back in the early 70's this 69. Z/28 was traded in to Scuncio Chevy. The window sticker was
still with the car and never removed from the glove box. It was bought and resold in 1975, the person that bought it in 1975 still has it.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d46/RPOZ28/index-144-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: Z10Mike on January 22, 2015, 02:59:53 PM
WIth an M21 and 3.55 gears it must have been a chore to drive that car in traffic.  
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: firstgenaddict on January 22, 2015, 04:08:47 PM
Yes it would be, that is a terrible street set up. But dusk blue with a cowl hood and endura... nice nice nice combo, only thing better would be white H/T interior.
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: dannystarr on January 22, 2015, 04:11:34 PM
I can say from recent experience, having to ride the clutch even with 3.73's. I can't imagine that ratio. From 20 MPH and up, they move out well, but under that look out, as they are dog's for sure. .. D
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 22, 2015, 05:11:43 PM
I can say from recent experience, having to ride the clutch even with 3.73's. I can't imagine that ratio. From 20 MPH and up, they move out well, but under that look out, as they are dog's for sure. .. D

It's all about the RPM's, Danny.. :)   you don't 'idle' off as you might with a 'regular' car, think 3000 rpm... and  Get the engine revved and pulling off is NO problem.. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: bcmiller on January 22, 2015, 06:36:14 PM
I agree with Gary.  Not even a problem with an M21 and 3.31 gears as long as you have the torque (468 big block) to get things moving.  lol
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: dannystarr on January 23, 2015, 06:04:00 AM
Just got back from the semi local Fosters Freeze Cruise-In. Happens every Thur. night from 6 to 8pm. Good selection of cars..
 So I was looking down several times at my tachometer just to see where it is when I take off. It is always it seems between 1500 and 2000. A lot of the time 1800. And ya ride the clutch a little off the line and off you go. Now when there is traffic and big trucks coming and I need to scoot, then it goes up substantially. Jumped on it a little tonight and took it to 4500. Sounds great. I have those valves set perfect. May never have to adjust them again  :)  They say 12,000 miles and I have only driven 2 or 300 miles in a couple months. I am at 55,420... TOO much fun.. D
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: bcmiller on January 24, 2015, 09:55:52 PM
You need a good place to do this, but a 302 really doesn't even start to "sing" in my opinion until it is above 4500 RPMs.   ;)
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 25, 2015, 12:14:45 AM
You need a good place to do this, but a 302 really doesn't even start to "sing" in my opinion until it is above 4500 RPMs.   ;)

Absolutely!   and its' in full chorus between 6000 to 8000 (although, unless you know the engine, I'd stick close to the redline...).. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: 68camaroz28 on January 25, 2015, 12:21:12 AM
You need a good place to do this, but a 302 really doesn't even start to "sing" in my opinion until it is above 4500 RPMs.   ;)
Reminds me of a story! While living in Italy I thought I always wanted a Ferrari (just a dream) and a person I met had both a Ferrari and Porsche so he invites me to come to Bologna and drive it. We take this hour plus drive to a nice restaurant for lunch and I drive it back. Roads were windy and fun but that car was a huge dog under 4500 RPM and one had to work to keep at that RPM and above. It is interesting that I never rode in a 67 to 69 Z/28 back in the day as all my friends had big blocks. Torque makes fun! But I love those Z/28's!
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: dannystarr on January 25, 2015, 05:47:06 AM
I wound my last 302 to 7,500, and yes it was bad ass. Felt like the dash was going to fall in my lap. But this car sat 25 years, and I am just glad to be able to drive it. The last thing I wanna do is launch this engine and have no ride. And then a 10K rebuild ahead of me. So for now it's fine. .. D
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: group/7 on January 25, 2015, 05:49:07 PM
When I Ran My '69 Z With A Single 4BBL Against My Buddies '69 Z With 2 4's, On The Street With Street Tires, I Got Him Off The Line, He Seemed To Bog, But Then He Would Catch Me And Blow Me Away. Would That be Correct ? It Was 1970, A Long Time Ago ! And To Quote Joe Cocker "If You Remember The '70s, You Weren't There"  ;D

group/7
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: tom on January 26, 2015, 10:10:34 AM
Thought that quote refered to the 60's
Guess I can't remember so good
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: group/7 on January 26, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
Tom, You Are Correct ! The '60s ! It Was All A Blur !


Mike In Canada

Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: firstgenaddict on January 29, 2015, 02:50:57 AM
IMHO for a daily driven street car the 3.55 M20 would have been the optimum set up for a 69 Z28. 
The effective first gear ratio is better than a 3.73 M21 but not quite as good as M21 4.10 but the 3.55 gained a lot better top end and lowered the cruising RPM.

If there was going to be very little driving at highway speeds i'd  lean toward 3.73 M20. If it was purely for weekend fun 4.10 M20.
Until I am racing on a road course I am not considering a M21/22. 
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 29, 2015, 04:44:16 AM
I agree with you again James!   in fact, back in the '70's when I was daily driving my car, I obtained a set of 3.55 gears with exactly that intention, although the car got parked before they were ever installed.... :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: twol78s on January 29, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
I usually bring the RPMS up to around 3000 to drive away in the 69 Z/28 with M21/3.73.  Requires a little clutch slippage to be smooth, but this seems to be about right.
Power really doesn`t  come on until 3500, but from there up to 7000 is really strong.
Definitely not a low-end tire burner, but very nice satisfying barks from the tires at every gear change.

Quite a big difference driving the Z/28 versus the '67 L78 Camaro!

Rick
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67 SS/RS 4K Owned 45 years
69 Z/28 2nd Owner, 43 years POP & Sales docs
69 Nova SS  L78
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: 69Z28-RS on January 29, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
I'd love to see some photos of your cars; surely with such a trio of fantastic cars, you probably have taken a single photo with all of them in it? :)   I was just thinking today that one car I'd love to have (that I've never owned) is a '69 or 70 Nova SS (an L78 engine would make it 'primo').. :)
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: twol78s on January 29, 2015, 11:54:51 PM
Here's a photo of the 1969 Z/28.  Car was purchased new at Frank Chevrolet in Portland, Oregon.  Purchased from the original owner and have all the paperwork.
Deluxe interior (black), fold down rear seat, Vigilite lamp monitoring system.  Numbers matching throughout.

-Rick
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: VINCE Z28 on January 30, 2015, 12:18:10 AM
Hey Rick you a member in the PNWCC ? That sign brings back memories... I chaired the N.W. Nationals for CRCC in Vancouver,WA. in 1993.
Title: Re: 1969 Z/28
Post by: twol78s on January 30, 2015, 12:24:42 AM
We used to be PNCC members a long time ago, but no more.  Club was good and people were great... always had fun at the club meetings and events.  Now live way out in the sticks, and it's a long drive to Portland and surrounding areas, and time is just too hard to come by nowadays.  I can't remember when that photo was taken, but i do seem to remember that the event was in Vancouver. 

-Rick