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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: 6667ss138 on September 06, 2014, 09:14:56 AM

Title: Ebay Trim tag counterfeiter
Post by: 6667ss138 on September 06, 2014, 09:14:56 AM
This guy is a real piece of work.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/67-68-69-70-s-Chevelle-Pontiac-Camaro-Cowl-Data-Trim-Tags-Made-to-Order-/231324847416?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35dc090d38
Title: Re: Ebay Trim tag counterfeiter
Post by: 1968 Z28 on September 06, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
Anyone know if this is Bill that once lived in Lubbock, Tx.  I heard that he had moved somewhere.
Title: Re: Ebay Trim tag counterfeiter
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 06, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
Anyone know if this is Bill that once lived in Lubbock, Tx.  I heard that he had moved somewhere.

You're referencing Bill Clements; he's got to be up in age by now... but who knows...?
Title: Re: Ebay Trim tag counterfeiter
Post by: Mike S on September 06, 2014, 11:06:14 PM
 I doubt it is Bill. As I understand it, Bill uses a real Fisher addressograph for his tags. This guy in Canada has these ads a lot on eBay and for 67 & 68 tags the numbers are not quite right and the horizontal column alignments are not period correct.

Mike
Title: Re: Ebay Trim tag counterfeiter
Post by: ko-lek-tor on September 06, 2014, 11:20:08 PM
  This guy in Canada has these ads a lot on eBay and for 67 & 68 tags the numbers are not quite right and the horizontal column alignments are not period correct.

Mike


...and maybe he (Canadian guy) knows his tags have problems and now we are helping him by telling what he needs to change to correct his parts. Hope this is not the case?
Title: Re: Ebay Trim tag counterfeiter
Post by: Mike S on September 06, 2014, 11:40:41 PM
   I'm sure counterfeiters by now know what to look for in the computer age. Keeping tight lip maybe 10 years ago would slow down the reproductions but today there is so much that people freely post that makes it a treasure trove for counterfeiters. CRG posts here are one example with the freely posting of trim and VIN tags which eventually become metadata for a web browser to pick up for anyone looking for these images. Also, you can freely download real trim tag examples and look at them for comparison from a few web site already. A Google search is all one needs to do.
  Educating the consumer is a double edge blade. In one hand you can teach them and they will be able to spot a fake and avoid falling prey and yet the counterfeiters can also learn.
I have been down this route in the gun collecting industry where fakes show up too but there are people who do teach what to look for. But, no matter how hard a counterfeiters tries, there are always little nuances that will spring up to raise a flag. I'm sure one day the perfect stamp will appear and then the only identifiable 'DNA' will be the machine marks for comparison on similar period tags like with Vette's. Camaro's will be harder of course because they are painted. Using the Corvette crowd as an example, once the publication was available that showed how to identify real (hence fakes too) 'Vette tags, then that reduced the numbers of fakes showing up, that is how I understand it anyway.

Mike
Title: Re: Ebay Trim tag counterfeiter
Post by: 69 Zee on September 09, 2014, 03:37:56 AM
This guy has been selling on ebay for some time now.  At least for a few years.   >:(