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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: 69Z28-RS on June 21, 2014, 03:30:00 AM
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Well, Friday is done at the Nationals. Bryan302 and I drove 12 hrs Thursday to get here, and today bright and early we were at the Fairgrounds.. The day was gorgeous...not very hot.. cool even (compared to Alabama); We saw some fantastic cars going thru the judging process, and met some great owners. Among the CRG guys that we met were: Chick, NoYenko (George), DuskBlueZ (Mike), Scott Miano, and a couple of other folks with cars being judged whose names are escaping me as I write this. Note: Bryan and I were the only ones wearing our CRG shirts... but they did get noticed.. :)
Tomorrow morning, we are heading to Carlisle (an hour or so up the road)... we'll spend Saturday and then spend Sunday driving home... Wish more of you guys were here.. If you've never been you would really enjoy it and the 'learning' esperience.
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OK and the million dollar question: where are the pics????
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I'll post some pix later.. after I get caught up from 4 days being away.. :) Maybe some others will post also.. :)
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I'll post some pix later.. after I get caught up from 4 days being away.. :) Maybe some others will post also.. :)
I'm trying.... hitting the 500Kb limit... :(
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A few photos from Frederick nationals (last Friday)... as I left for Carlisle early Sat morning... the ones I'm posting are chosen because they came out 'small enough' (below 150 Kb) after running Light Image Digitizer the first time.. :)
I'll do some more later as I have time.. it seems the single photo limit has been raised to 200kb, but the total size limit is still 500kb. 4 photos at 200Kb would be 800kb.. I sure wish it worked that way.. :)
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A few more.. including Mike (DuskBlueZ)'s car...
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and more... including George (NoYenko) trunk.. I was admiring his very nice trunk mat which looked to be either NOS or an outstanding repro? (I wish I could find a source for one like it).. :)
It was great to meet George NoYenko, see his beautiful blue/white 396 powered coupe and talk with him.. finding out from him the reason for his 'NoYenko' CRG name (a great story). :)
George: Let us know how you did on the points when you find out... your car and your photo book are both great!
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a few more photos from Frederick...
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396/375 engine compartment and '70 LT1 engine compartments....
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Great pics thus far!! Got any more 68 pics for the few "8" junkies among us?
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Sorry DW.... :( .. that was it from me on '68...
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thanks for the pics Gary. I couldn't quite read the placard on the green 69 Z. What was the significance of that car according to the plaque?
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thanks for the pics Gary. I couldn't quite read the placard on the green 69 Z. What was the significance of that car according to the plaque?
Says: "The ONLY Documented Z with a X11 Trim Tag and a "M" Code Block"
Other than that it is too small for me to read.
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The placard said that it was the only documented X11 Z28... and it also had the original DZ engine which was a rare 'M date coded' block. When I first saw this plaque and read it at last year's nationals, I was very dubious on all that as it conflicted with what I believed to be 'correct', but later I had opportunity to talk with him at great length (hours), and see his original photos and documentation from when he bought the car 20+ yrs before, and I became a believer. It's interesting to conjecture how a body initially coded by Fisher as an X11 car, came to be completed as a Z28 by Norwood assembly... :) The owner, Al Krebs, owns a body and paint shop business in NJ (K&H Automotive), and is a great guy to talk to (as is his wife who has been there with him both years). and his car is beautiful; a Nov '69 built car, that also has some of the late year components on it, as does mine.
Here's a better view of his info board.... He also has the original window sticker... :)
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funny that dusk blue Z with the ZL2 hood, his rubber seal looks identical to mine, (which I have heard on here is incorrect), but then the blue Z his seal looks almost straight up and down on the rubber seal. Interesting since all the pictures Gary took, the cars look very clean and correct. Great pics, feel like I was there Gary.... :)
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It's weird that I missed DuskBlue's air cleaner seal, as that is a pet peeve of mine. In fact I helped a fella out in the show field correct his when I noticed it upside down and inside out.. which is the way that the seal on DuskBlue's car appears to me. When the seals are on improperly as that appears to be, the seal doesn't touch the hood usually.
To correct that you have to remove the seal from the top metal cover, then turn it 'inside out' (which probably will take two people), flip it over so that the little lip which is on the top of your seals currently, will grip perfectly around the lip of the metal top plate... and your seal will then we correctly placed. I'm embarrassed that I didn't notice this on Mike's car.... I suppose I was just running along taking photos at that point, Or I was distracted while snapping that one... ?.. :(
I'm glad you enjoyed the photos.. :)
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Really enjoyed the pics. I would love to go sometime and was hoping someone would post photos. Thanks!
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I had a great time at the show meeting people in person that I have met on the web. My car scored 89.6% for a Silver first time out.
I asked one of the five judges what he thought about my hood seal and after inspection he said it was installed correctly. The original picture of my engine that I displayed, showed a tear in the seal with half folded in and half folded out. I'll have to wait a few weeks to see what the other four judges thought.
While my car was stranded on the lift after judging, I had Courtney Mabeus a reporter for the Fredrick News - Press stop by and ask me why with all the beautiful cars at the show, I decided to display my car up in the air...
Mike
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I really had a good time at the Nationals for the first time, well organized and great judges. I was amazed they spent so much time on each car. My Frederick trip started off with a 3 hr. visit with Jerry MacNiesh and his amazing garage of history. He has a mint restored 65 Impala 427 4 speed convertible that I was drooling over. Friday I met up with Mike (Dusk Blue Z), Gary (69Z28-RS), Brian(Brian302),Chick (68Camaroz28),Larry (scoop) and Charley's 67 Z. It was funny meeting these guys for the first time because you get an idea in your head what someone might look like, I am usually wrong. Once you start a conversation you can defiantly see there personalities in they way they write. That was great meeting & talking with these guys. All great knowledgeable guys and an asset to CRG. I have a couple pictures to share, I think there was 32 Camaros total in building 9, not all were being judged. I got a silver with a 92% so I was really pleased. George
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More pictures
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One more
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Great pictures guys. Hopefully farming won't be in the way someday and I can go
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Scoop's (Larry's) 68 RS/Z is one sweet ride. He sent me pics of it once he was there. This is just making me want to go next year.. Is it me or was there not a lot of 68's at the show? At least by the pics at this point.
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Great looking car George!
Sorry I missed everyone in person, I was only able to be there Saturday morning until it rained.
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Great pics, looks like it was a great show.
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I too had a great time at the Nationals. It was great seeing you all this year. I have attended the Nationals for the last four years and this year I brought my Car. The last three years I watched and learned from the judges and participants as to the correctness of the cars. Using what I learned I achieved a score of 1000 for the Bow Tie Class this year. I thank all the judges and participants for all the knowledge they shared with me. I have met so many great people and have gained life long friends. On Sunday I spent time at Jerry MacNeish's shop where he went over my car. What a great guy! He even gave me a fast ride in his all original white 68 Z with 411 gears. Thanks to all. Scoop
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Scoop's attention to detail is amazing through out the whole car, it is unbelievable to get a perfect 100% score first time showing. Congratulations! I was kidding him about jacking up and centering his tires and he pointed out the valve stems are also centered correctly on the tires. Great guy with a sense of humor. George
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We've aptly named him 'recon man' He was a blast to hang with
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I thought Jerry's 68 had an even lower gear like a 4.56 or something, if it is the low milage original paint car that is in his book.
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This was my first trip to the Nationals and I was very impressed with the work everyone has put in these cars. I am restoring a low mileage 68 L78 and will be back to study over the next few years.
Larry (scoop) brought a car that raised my expectations of where I need to take my restoration. Thanks for the great info everyone.
Dan
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I was also very impressed with Larry's (Scoop's) 68 Z28. It is one of the finest restored car's I've seen. Larry, I also enjoyed the time we spent visiting. Hope to see you soon! Fred
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I was also very impressed with Larry's (Scoop's) 68 Z28. It is one of the finest restored car's I've seen. Larry, I also enjoyed the time we spent visiting. Hope to see you soon! Fred
Beautiful car.
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While at the Nationals I met a guy from CRG and we talked about my car having the wrong year trunk lid. He mentioned he had several nice lids. I wrote his name after our conversation but can't find it now. If you read this can you contact me, I am very interested. I need a nice late 68 - early 69 lid. George
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is yours julian stamped after your car was made?
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Post pictures of your trunk lid. I think I can help with the differences.
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I would like to see the differences Darrell
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While at the Nationals I met a guy from CRG and we talked about my car having the wrong year trunk lid. He mentioned he had several nice lids. I wrote his name after our conversation but can't find it now. If you read this can you contact me, I am very interested. I need a nice late 68 - early 69 lid. George
X2...let me know too. Meaning I need a better lid. I know the 69 lid has tabs on the underside lip where it meets tail panel, A couple of mine have dates a couple don't. Someone else might chime in with exact ID in addition to what I mention. Will find a pic.http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=6351.0 bottom of post shows 68 lid with tabs,like 69 early before 3/69.
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While at the Nationals I met a guy from CRG and we talked about my car having the wrong year trunk lid. He mentioned he had several nice lids. I wrote his name after our conversation but can't find it now. If you read this can you contact me, I am very interested. I need a nice late 68 - early 69 lid. George
X2...let me know too.
I'm assuming it has to do with the stamping change in location and/or the design change due to Trans-am Firebird.
Was great meeting everyone at Frederick and again those that came up to Carlisle on Saturday.
And all the cars looked great so congratulations to everyone especially Larry's 1000 point kick off! Well done Larry!
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From my experience, the 67 lids have the tabs on the underside of the lip with no provisions for a spoiler. 68 & early 69 is the same with the tabs but have the provisions for an addition of a spoiler. Late 69 does not have the tabs but has the circular cutout in the outer layer of the skin on the inside of the lid. If anyone has any info different please jump in.
Later 69 lid
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1969%20Frost%20Green%20Z28/69trunklid_zps4b24ec7d.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1969%20Frost%20Green%20Z28/69trunklid_zps4b24ec7d.jpg.html)
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Version 2 67 trunk lids do have spoiler mounting holes.
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Ok so we have early 67 lids, late 67 - early 69, then late 69
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We were there(at frederick) for the discussions on the 69 trunk lids. What we heard was 2 things….
-The lower hole has to be there(as circled in the picture above)
-the outward dimple, directly below the acorn nut circled(about 5-6") should be there
Rick
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can someone post the pic of the earlier 69 lid please
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can someone post the pic of the earlier 69 lid please
Here is a pic of the lid on my 67 which I believe to be the original lid. This is due to not having the oval cutout in the outer layer for the movement of the emblem when a spoiler was added. There is also a stamp on the inside of the lid, in the lower center when the lid is open. Just cant make out what mine says.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1967%20Camaro/photo2_zps8e4f2a05.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1967%20Camaro/photo2_zps8e4f2a05.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1967%20Camaro/photo3_zpsc94515da.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1967%20Camaro/photo3_zpsc94515da.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1967%20Camaro/photo4_zps886ece4a.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1967%20Camaro/photo4_zps886ece4a.jpg.html)
Here is a pic of my original lid on my 68. Hard to see but the tabs are there and no circular cutout in the out layer.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02408.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1968%20302%20Camaro/DSC02408.jpg.html)
My fathers original 68 lid.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20396%20Camaro/DSC02910_zpsac234567.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20396%20Camaro/DSC02910_zpsac234567.jpg.html)
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Ill also I am not sure when the cut-offs were for the changes to the lids. Might be able to narrow it down if we have some dates from original lid cars. FWIW, I didnt know that 67's got the 2nd version of the lid (like the 68's) due to 67's not getting spoilers. I also thought it was 67 - 8 - 9 versions of the lids...??.. But I have started seeing very early 9's with the 68 style lids. But not many and I can not state that they were original to the cars..
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Maybe this should be split into 2 threads.??...
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Sorry about the side track on the Nationals, this probably should be split off but I will add to it before it splits. I was told I have a 67 trunk lid because there are no additional forward emblem holes. picture 1. Second picture is from a 68 no holes for Trans-Am spoiler. Third picture 2-69 original paint car but spoiler was added, and has holes for Trans-Am spoiler. I assume my 11-68 car needs a lid like second picture. Let me know what you think and if you have a nice lid for sale. George
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Can you make out the stamp on the inside of the lid? Lower center?
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Also I wonder if one of these is a Firebird lid?
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Darrell, are you referring to the picture you posted? That would be a Stamping plant code and the week like "H44". When the Firebirds were started to be built at Norwood they used the same trunk lid as the Camaros. The Firebird Trans-Am had a center mounted spoiler and utilized the holes I referred to as Trans-Am holes. George
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Moved the discussion to a new thread:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12390.0 (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12390.0)