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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: llskis on June 08, 2014, 09:29:08 PM
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Have a 1969 Camaro Z28 that has been certified by Jerry MacNeish. One of the corrections that need to be done that was
reported in the certification was: "Lower Rocker Area should be painted semi/gloss black below the rocker molding". Car was
repainted years ago and all that area was painted "Hugger Orange" the original color. Enclosed is a picture of the area. Can
someone please post a picture how it should look? What kinda black should be applied. Eg. like Rustoleum 7777 or ??. Please
comment on this. Thanks--Larry
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Do a little searching on the site, there are some good threads on proper finish ( % gloss) and were to mask off to get it correct. Seems like it was a hot topic a few months ago. Assuming RS package ?
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Do a little searching on the site, there are some good threads on proper finish ( % gloss) and were to mask off to get it correct. Seems like it was a hot topic a few months ago. Assuming RS package ?
janobyte: No RS package; standard Z28. Thanks; Larry
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With the Z21 exterior style trim group.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1969%20Frost%20Green%20Z28/DSC03220_zps3fe31f67.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1969%20Frost%20Green%20Z28/DSC03220_zps3fe31f67.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/superslow/1969%20Frost%20Green%20Z28/DSC03233_zps8f40232d.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/superslow/media/1969%20Frost%20Green%20Z28/DSC03233_zps8f40232d.jpg.html)
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Do a little searching on the site, there are some good threads on proper finish ( % gloss) and were to mask off to get it correct. Seems like it was a hot topic a few months ago. Assuming RS package ?
janobyte: Have tried search but coming up MT; can not find the wording of that thread so search would work. FYI Larry
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try "rocker panel paint" , under this heading are the threads I'm thinking of that might help--steve.
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Cook may have already answered your question with his 69 pic.
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Cook may have already answered your question with his 69 pic.
Yes; thanks to Cook DW for picture. Did find some info on the "Search". Type of the color Black is still in question. To me it looks like a
Satin Black. (Like Rustoleum 7777) Will go with that unless I hear different. Larry
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I don't think you can do any better than GM Reconditioning Black as far as matching the correct gloss level and texture goes.
Mike
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It's really not a semi gloss, Here is an untouched unexposed place on a 69 SS showing there is a reflection and a good bit of gloss.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/cdSJb9771jY27_FSXmkDAuQw1aQXfH8ffQJXW9ulnPw=w941-h617-no)
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Its not really semi gloss but more of a flat gloss. The black should end underneath the chrome rocker trim about in the middle. I went through this when my car was certified by Jerry and it has been at the nationals last year with the correction that was done approved.
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I agree with Mike S.... GM reconditioning black will be good for that area.. :)
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Here's a good previous thread on the same subject:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=10687.0;all
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This project is turning out to be more complex then what I thought at the beginning. Here is a few loose end questions for our members.
1) I assume that all trim is to be taken off like the trim around the front wheel wheels and the chrome rocker trim; correct?
2) All bolts should be removed before the paint; correct?
3) Hard to tell by pictures given but the black on the panel (where the panel turns horizontal) is consistent throughout. This means
when the factory done it the body of the car was up in the air. If car was down lower I would assume the black paint would
be heavier on the end then lighter as it gets towards the frame. Correct? If yes then a "lift" would be needed to do the job.
All comments are welcomed and thanks. Larry
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1 &2) Yes trim & bolts need to be removed and the line will almost split the spear bracket screw holes.
3) Depends. If the car was from NOR then will probably will not see as much overspray on the underside of the car due to it being just a few feet off the ground and truthfully the fenders would come off as well to do the spray on the lower cowl or tulip panel area as seen in James' photo.
If it was built in LOS then you would have more (or should I say potentially see more) overspray due to it being held from an overhead conveyor system.
Also remember that the subframe, brake lines, etc would not have been there when this was painted. If I were doing this I would tape off on the inside weld seam lip and spray that area. Removing fenders to get that area covered would be up to the individual.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong. :)
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3) As I understand, facing the side of the car, the black was sprayed perpendicular to the body side. This would mean the part of the rocker that turns under (faces the ground) did not get directly painted, just overspray. Will point out that Norwood blackout done by Fisher, so fenders were not on the car and posted and known examples show a masked line on lower cowl usually tappering upward toward front of cowl. Not imperative in resto, but exact.
My car as an example of masked front cowl (ignore the rust and flaws).
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Remember that the rocker panel was sprayed black in the Fisher Body main Paint Shop, when the body was just a shell, prior to entering the Fisher Body Trim Shop. The matching black on the bottom of the front fender was sprayed in the Chevrolet front sheet metal Paint Shop on their side of the plant, hours before the fender was installed on the car.
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How did that process differ at Van Nuys John?
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How did that process differ at Van Nuys John?
Van Nuys had converted from Fisher/Chevrolet to GMAD the previous year, and had consolidated the Paint Shop (eliminated the Chevy paint shop); the front sheet metal previously painted separately by Chevrolet was now mounted on conveyor bucks about five feet ahead of the body shell. The black rocker and fender areas were masked and sprayed at the same time, but it was many hours later before the fender was installed on the body.
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Thanks John
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/leftrearrocker.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/leftrearrocker.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/Sell/DSC02700_zps082cea05.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/Sell/DSC02700_zps082cea05.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/Sell/DSC02707_zps830f7f46.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/Sell/DSC02707_zps830f7f46.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/Sell/DSC05773_zps8ce78c93.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/Sell/DSC05773_zps8ce78c93.jpg.html)
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Those are GREAT pictures!
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I don't know how the rocker was painted as well as that one was, without getting any black on the vertical seam rib below it.. unless a mask was used?
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Holy Cow; I'm more confused now then when we started. Are they all correct? I was going to do this project myself; not
now. Will hand this job off to the pros in the painting dept. Don't know which pattern I'll do. Larry ???
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Van Nuys was different then Norwood. They must have used something, because the bottom just got body overspray. Original paint car.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/wellandblackout_zpsf045e8f1.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/wellandblackout_zpsf045e8f1.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/floor.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/floor.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/Sell/DSC05655_zps91b5ebed.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/Sell/DSC05655_zps91b5ebed.jpg.html)
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Oaklyss, in that last picture, is the horizontal area on the underside of the rocker bare metal? Can't tell, could be the flash effect, but it looks like there isn't even primer on there.
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Good point is they were not perfect. Above my fuel tank was basically bare metal, "mist" of primer. Good representation Oaklyss. I've posted before ,ironically, more time was involved trying to replicate "factory" vs. "over restored" in mine anyways.
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Oaklyss, in that last picture, is the horizontal area on the underside of the rocker bare metal? Can't tell, could be the flash effect, but it looks like there isn't even primer on there.
I think you are getting the flash along with the orange reflecting on the black giving it that bare metal look. You can see the line where the black ends (or the bare metal looking area) and orange begins.
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Oaklyss, in that last picture, is the horizontal area on the underside of the rocker bare metal? Can't tell, could be the flash effect, but it looks like there isn't even primer on there.
I think you are getting the flash along with the orange reflecting on the black giving it that bare metal look. You can see the line where the black ends (or the bare metal looking area) and orange begins.
Yes but I asked the question because if you look at picture 1 in reply # 21, it looks similar, but without so much possible H.O. reflection.....
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Gotcha. Thought it was from his last post. It does look like bare metal.
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Not bare metal, just the flash. Heres a better photo. You can see the paint line:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/OAKLYSS/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/ec193a4e-5bb8-4328-8a63-bbcbd7ed4e4c_zps03a3a0c5.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/OAKLYSS/media/69%20SS%20detail%20shots/ec193a4e-5bb8-4328-8a63-bbcbd7ed4e4c_zps03a3a0c5.jpg.html)
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Great, thanks for confirming, and for that last photo. Definitely appears that the rocker was masked off by the VN workers before the black was applied, way to neat of a line between the two otherwise.