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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: dannystarr on May 02, 2014, 02:08:25 AM
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WOW this is a heck of a car. Just one repaint and original owner. MANY options.. Surprisingly enough, no RS package ordered... Danny
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=SC0514-184213&utm_source=emv&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SC0514-F229
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Not only 'special order paint', which we know was possible, but also: 1) special cross ram manifold FROM THE FACTORY (only one known to have been installed in the factory?).. but unfortunately was stolen from the car during the rail shipment - confirmed by special letter from the dealership! :) 2) NOT only special paint color, but also *special paint stripes *... only one known to be painted this way??? :) NO pix of the documentation, but a lot of fancy words which makes up for the lack... :)
I'm only surprised it didn't get the special 'one of a kind factory installed' CAUTION fan sticker??
OK OK. this is all 'tongue in cheek'.. looks around for the right little emoticon... ;) ;D :o ::) and then hides behind my 8)
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The funky stripes were added at the dealer.
I'm a doubter on the cross-ram. It's not on the order form, nor would Norwood have the parts.
It's not one owner - it's been on ebay 3 times (3 different sellers) in 10 years!
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Neat looking car, but I doubt it gets close to the estimate.
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I think there is a pic of it in Hoopers book, denoting the special stripes. Besides all the hoopla of cross ram and the train story, why go with a black grill??? It would be nice to see the "original" window sticker showing the cross ram
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the ad states "Special Paint (a $33.75 option discounted to 26.71 including tax)"
that is the same price I have seen on other special paint paperwork for just the color change
So that would mean the special stripe work was done for free
that seems strange unless it was a VIP customer or dealer
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Here is a quote from their HIGHLIGHTS.....
- Originally ordered with JL8 4-wheel disc brakes, but delivered without due to availability
So that means it is NOT one of the 206 cars built with JL8.
- Warren
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The camaro is scheduled to be sold on Friday May 16th 2014. Buyer Beware. There is lots of 1st gen camaro's for sell on Mecum's auction, plus this gem.... :o
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... and I tried to order a super Yenko Z28 ZL1 SS RS with 4 wheel disk brakes, and all options including the 'Caution Fan' sticker.. but ... GM wouldn't deliver it to me... :(
.. and that was just last week... :)
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The camaro is scheduled to be sold on Friday May 16th 2014. Buyer Beware. There is lots of 1st gen camaro's for sell on Mecum's auction, plus this gem.... :o
Waste of a 4th gen and 1st gen sheetmetal.
As for the Carolina Blue car in the beginning I have my doubts the car was ever ordered with crossram or JL8..
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Maybe they delivered it, but while it was on the train, they stole everything, and left you the sticker !.. :D
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Why would the dealer provide a letter telling you your special order intake manifold was stolen off the train. If it was stolen they would order a new one and hand it to you when you came to get the car. they wouldn't tell you it was stolen, hell they wouldn't even tell you it was ready for pickup until they had all the parts in hand.
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BTW, that's not carolina blue. More like UCLA blue.
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That seems odd to me as well. It was like somebody wanted proof it came with his car, so he asked the dealer to write up a letter saying it was stolen on the train. I was not around in 69 I didn't know train robberies were so common back then, I thought that all ended back with Jesse James and all.
SO there was a gang of guys reading window stickers that showed special options not bolted to the car, they knew to be in the trunk, so that they didn't have to check every car?
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Either way, its a nice looking car. Wonder what was going through the mind of the person who ordered it at the time.
Would it have come with a silver grill?
When a car with a special ordered paint color, such as this blue, did it get any special treatment when going through the paint shop?
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He did attempt to order the JL8, but it was denied. Also tried ordering the HD clutch.
The cross-ram story is BS, IMO.
They don't know how to read the GMAC invoice. It wasn't discounted - that was what the dealer paid.
And again, the stripes were modified by the dealer.
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That seems odd to me as well. It was like somebody wanted proof it came with his car, so he asked the dealer to write up a letter saying it was stolen on the train. I was not around in 69 I didn't know train robberies were so common back then, I thought that all ended back with Jesse James and all.
SO there was a gang of guys reading window stickers that showed special options not bolted to the car, they knew to be in the trunk, so that they didn't have to check every car?
Actually, when I was growing up back in the 80's.. er.. 70's.. well OK. 60's.. :) I DID hear stories about 4-speed transmissions being lifted from cars on freight trains, but I think a transmission would be a bit easier to thieve from a car on a train car, than an intake manifold.. Ever tried to remove your intake manifold without opening your hood?? :) Besides WE at CRG know that the factory DID NOT install cross ram manifolds; the dealer sold them OTC, and perhaps even installed them with appropriate warnings about voiding your new car warranty?? :)
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When a car with a special ordered paint color, such as this blue, did it get any special treatment when going through the paint shop?
No, it was just a huge PITA dragging air-powered pressure pots through the booth and hand-spraying the body; spare circulating systems in each booth didn't get filled with special paint unless the order was for at least 50 cars (it took 100 gallons to fill a circulating system).
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Actually, when I was growing up back in the 80's.. er.. 70's.. well OK. 60's.. :) I DID hear stories about 4-speed transmissions being lifted from cars on freight trains, but I think a transmission would be a bit easier to thieve from a car on a train car, than an intake manifold.. Ever tried to remove your intake manifold without opening your hood?? :) Besides WE at CRG know that the factory DID NOT install cross ram manifolds; the dealer sold them OTC, and perhaps even installed them with appropriate warnings about voiding your new car warranty?? :)
When I traveled through Ohio in the 90's I heard stories from the racers about loading down impalas with 4 spds and being chased by the railroad police...
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When I worked in the Poconos weekends in the 80's I heard there was a problem with thieves boarding the trains and stealing stuff like stereos form the cars while the train went through along a gorge following the river. Lots of places to get on and off the slow moving freight train, no streets or crossings for a good 15-20 miles, lots of curves. Anything portable and valuable was a target.
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Car just bid to 475,000 no sale
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Idiot. About 4x market value, IMO, and he didn't sell it.
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Just ran across a video of this car today.
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/reliving-motoring-s-golden-era-aboard-a-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-and-its-all-new-successor-185126340.html
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Probably had his wing man bid it just short of reserve. Yawn...
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Just ran across a video of this car today.
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/reliving-motoring-s-golden-era-aboard-a-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28-and-its-all-new-successor-185126340.html
Ohhh that exhaust, sounds like glass packs to me. I prefer the transverse muffler sounding exhaust, but to each their own .... ;D
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Whoever was driving this car wouldn't be for long if he continually slipped the clutch as badly as he did in the video!
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yah, no kidding, it took the guy the first 100 yards just to let the clutch out. He probabley was told not to stomp it by the owner, and so the driver thought I will just keep the rpms real low and give it an extra amount of clutch. Just the opposite of what the car wants, (lots of rpms)
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maybe he took off in 3rd
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Went to Indy today and saw this car in person. As others have mentioned there are plenty of things that are not right with it. For example, take a look at the attached photo of the firewall/cowl area. Not only is it a hard line between the colors but ithe black is wrapped up on the cowl as well. PTB stamps look like they were painted on by a kid. I wish someone could explain to me whats driving the price because I dont get it. I get that its a one off color and is heavy optioned but for my 450k (not that I have it lol) think I would much rather of had the 1300 mile 1968 Yenko parked next to it that sold for 320k. That car was absolutely gorgeous.
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That stuff looks about as sick as the crappy sound the car made... ugh... let's call that a 'baby blue' camaro. much more appropriate..
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That stuff looks about as sick as the crappy sound the car made... ugh... let's call that a 'baby blue' camaro. much more appropriate..
Hey now "crappy sound" ? some guys still have that (optional) exhaust on their cars !! It's just like Hugger Orange to me: some guys really like it, but to other guys its just ok... ;D
(if my car would have sounded like that, I would have had to make an adjustment first thing)
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That one didn't behave or sound like any z28 I've ever seen or heard... it made the fella who made the video look like a 'joke'....
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I prefer the sound of an un-corked header myself ;D
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On the blue car, it was all shill bidding and none the high bids were real. Makes it appear the car is valuable.
Anybody have a pic of the trim tag for the 68 Yenko?
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Fail on my end....just got the engine bay in total.
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That one didn't behave or sound like any z28 I've ever seen or heard... it made the fella who made the video look like a 'joke'....
I agree. Sounds nothing like mine. What kind of exhaust did it have? And why the always on backup lights?
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Anybody have a pic of the trim tag for the 68 Yenko?
Someone else got the tag photo and posted it over on Team Camaro
http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=73465&d=1400507980
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That one didn't behave or sound like any z28 I've ever seen or heard... it made the fella who made the video look like a 'joke'....
I agree. Sounds nothing like mine. What kind of exhaust did it have? And why the always on backup lights?
The "blatty" exhaust note results from the cross-ram setup not having a crossover passage (just like the 1957-1965 Rochester fuel injections on Corvettes), which makes it sound like two different 4-cylinder engines, and a poor tuning job.
The backup lights are on because the backdrive rod is missing due to interference with the headers, and the lever at the base of the steering column is wired up to the brake booster so the ignition switch is free to operate without the rod in place. See that every day on cars with headers.
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Back in the good old days of street racing in New York, that meant you were ready for a race! But I agree with John, the rod is missing.
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Back in the good old days of street racing in New York, that meant you were ready for a race! But I agree with John, the rod is missing.
Interesting, I thought it was an Ohio thing. BITD All us hot rod guys would have the reverse lights wired to a secret toggle under the dash and flip it on as a sign a race is on or desired. We would also flip on the reverses when pulling into the Big Boy Drive-In to look cool and to put others on notice we were looking for a race.
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Thats funny to hear that. I have been around street racing since the early 90's, we would meet in Santa Clara at a Weinersnitzel, we would get run out of the parking lots of some of the other places by the police, trying to break us up. Our cars were all different ranges though, so you knew (roughly) how quick each car was, so you knew which match ups would be worth putting together. OR if you had enough guys wanting to run, we would head out , some times we would get a few races in before the cop showed up, other times you could run all night and you might see over 40 races, before you called it a night. Of course road conditions played a huge part in how well some guys got out of the hole.
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Show how naive I am. Never heard that. Guess I better not tell anybody that I used to street raced! They'd spot me for a fraud in 5 seconds!! :D
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They do have a good record of finding lolipop guys :)