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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Restoration => Topic started by: ko-lek-tor on March 01, 2014, 01:31:16 PM
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I have a chance to get some NOS outer window felts for a not too bad a price IMO. A couple of years ago, this would not have even been a question for me, but A. Mrkt. parts are improving, at least felts,I am told. As I understand, the show grade A.Market felts are pretty good, have come a long way in quality and accuracy and even have the rubber flap on the 1/4 felts. I have not seen these in person. I am a NOS kinda guy , but if the A/M is as good as claimed, I would go that route as funds are getting squeezed and other weatherstripping will be A/M. Along that thought, I planned on getting the higher priced latex weatherstripping. Here is what I'd like some feedback on: Anyone, here, that is a correctness freak and can give an opinion on the A/M quality, correctness, etc... to help me decide would be greatly appreciated. Also, any feedback regarding the latex vs.regular rubber drip molding and door/trunk weatherstrips, so I do not make the wrong purchases when that time comes appreciated as well.
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???Anyone?? ???
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The after markets are $100 or more, the NOS ones I've seen are significantly more. If you can afford/want to buy the NOS ones, I'm sure they fit and look better... :)
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The after markets are $100 or more, the NOS ones I've seen are significantly more. If you can afford/want to buy the NOS ones, I'm sure they fit and look better... :)
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It's news to me that the A/M felts are improving. Plenty of folks out there are still complaining, both with and without beltline trim.
Why don't you contact the suppliers, ask them if they will be at Charlotte, and then, you can check some out in April? Might as well add that to your trip.... ;D
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Why is it so hard to make this product exactly right? Patent issues? They already go thru the problem of designing SOMETHING, why not do it right the first time? I could stand to replace my outers to the round bead style. Somewhere in time the flat style was added to my car, whether they are GM or not they do fit well and seal well. Did GM have both round bead and flat bead?
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This is the kit I used on my 67, from Heartbeat City;
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/20670/Camaro-Windowfelt-kit-coupe-10-piece-1967/ I was very pleased with the look and the fit. And YES, it has the round bead trim.
ko-lek-tor, It looks like you have 69's, HBC has kits for all First Gens.
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;) Thanks Mike. I guess to try to clarify my position I have, up to this point, always bought original OEM or NOS items ONLY. I have not bought anything repro, quite proud of that, I may add. I am getting to a point in parts buying where I realize that repro will be the only route as the price of NOS is too high for me IMO. Most of the items I speak of are soft items like rubber, foam, plastic, and vinyl. Things like weatherstrips and trunk mat. The other items are pot metal where it might be too costly to re-plate. I am a purist and like things as correct as possible. If there is anything that falls under the categories mentioned (soft and pot metal) that the repro is just not acceptable because of appearance, fit and quality and is so sub-standard that it is obvious to most that it is not "correct" then I would like to know. I asked about felts because I have a chance to get a set of outer NOS. I know I would prefer to have them over the repro, but for cost consideration. I will compromise (or should say I have to) up to a point, but if the repro part is just flat wrong and a flimsy cheap imitation, I want to know and at that point, I will have to suck it in and get NOS.
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This is the kit I used on my 67, from Heartbeat City;
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/20670/Camaro-Windowfelt-kit-coupe-10-piece-1967/ I was very pleased with the look and the fit. And YES, it has the round bead trim.
ko-lek-tor, It looks like you have 69's, HBC has kits for all First Gens.
Mike, when you get a chance, could you post us a picture of the felts in your car? Like I told Ko-lek-tor a while back, it is hard to find a set that looks original and fits well. I'd appreciate it!
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This is the kit I used on my 67, from Heartbeat City;
http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/20670/Camaro-Windowfelt-kit-coupe-10-piece-1967/ I was very pleased with the look and the fit. And YES, it has the round bead trim.
ko-lek-tor, It looks like you have 69's, HBC has kits for all First Gens.
Mike, when you get a chance, could you post us a picture of the felts in your car? Like I told Ko-lek-tor a while back, it is hard to find a set that looks original and fits well. I'd appreciate it!
Phillip, yes I can get you some pics. but it will be a while, maybe even a month to 6 weeks. The car is in a Car Jacket now, and I don't intend to take it out 'til the weather gets much nicer than it has been. If you can wait, I'd be glad to.
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No problem. Post it when you get a chance.
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PUI vs GM felt comparison beginning at post #35 in this thread: http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=212160&page=3
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Here are the original door and quarter window fuzzies on my unrestored '69Z.
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The ends of the "good" repros's I have used and seen are not rolled like the originals, they are VERY SHARP.
The originals appear to have been cut using a tubing cutter, or some type of cutter which rolled/pinched the ends over, the repros appear to be saw cut and are blunt ended and sharp.
I have used a fine metal file to bevel the ends however they are still not Identical to the GM parts.
If this has changed I would like to know who carries the rolled end type.
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I just want all of you who have replied to know that I appreciate this advice and information. Thanks, Bentley.
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Recently purchased PUI felts shown have sharp ends as James stated. PUI felts bought 10 years ago are the same. Quarter window felt shapes vary and may not match the window ledge contour very well.
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I ran into this problem when mice chewed up my nos felts. I bought outer quarter felts from HBC that fit well, were very close to my nos felts, but had a sharp blunt end. Here is a link to how I modified them and another approach also. George
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11584.msg92520#msg92520
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Thanks, George. I read where there are some felts available, that are "show" quality and even have the rubber flap on the rear. I am very concerned about getting something I will not be happy with. Sounds like yours would be acceptable without giving a fortune, which I don't have right now. That is kind of what I was hoping to get as far as feedback. I remember reading your refrenced post now. If you feel they are ok, then that is good enough for me. I'll just make sure my tail panel is not Gloss! lol.
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Recently purchased PUI felts shown have sharp ends as James stated. PUI felts bought 10 years ago are the same. Quarter window felt shapes vary and may not match the window ledge contour very well.
I manipulated the sharp ends with pinchers and files to an acceptable degree, but I had more issues with the more narrow rubber strip along the bead. It was only about 60% as wide as the original... :(
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I've got a set of NOS outers if you need some detailed pics. Outer fuzzies for '68 upper door molds if you need a look at those, too.
Steve
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I've got a set of NOS outers if you need some detailed pics. Outer fuzzies for '68 upper door molds if you need a look at those, too.
Steve
Send them to me and i'll lay them side by side with the PUI's and take some good photos.. :)
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I had more issues with the more narrow rubber strip along the bead. It was only about 60% as wide as the original... :(
That width difference is shown in the link I provided on the previous page. The retainer location on the felts or the quarter may result in the rubber strip being sucked below the quarter ledge.
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I've got a set of NOS outers if you need some detailed pics. Outer fuzzies for '68 upper door molds if you need a look at those, too.
Steve
Send them to me and i'll lay them side by side with the PUI's and take some good photos.. :)
I may wear overalls occasionally, and go barefoot, but I didn't fall off the turnip wagon yesterday - I do have some Mushrat parts I could send instead -
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I've got a set of NOS outers if you need some detailed pics. Outer fuzzies for '68 upper door molds if you need a look at those, too.
Steve
Send them to me and i'll lay them side by side with the PUI's and take some good photos.. :)
I may wear overalls occasionally, and go barefoot, but I didn't fall off the turnip wagon yesterday - I do have some Mushrat parts I could send instead -
?????? .. :) Would that be an FMC product????
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I've got a set of NOS outers if you need some detailed pics. Outer fuzzies for '68 upper door molds if you need a look at those, too.
Steve
Send them to me and i'll lay them side by side with the PUI's and take some good photos.. :)
I may wear overalls occasionally, and go barefoot, but I didn't fall off the turnip wagon yesterday - I do have some Mushrat parts I could send instead -
?????? .. :) Would that be an FMC product????
FoMoCo, originators of the Rustang. Actually, I don't mind the early ones, I just grew up not being able to pronounce car companies that started with "F", even with four letters -
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Thanks, George. I read where there are some felts available, that are "show" quality and even have the rubber flap on the rear. I am very concerned about getting something I will not be happy with. Sounds like yours would be acceptable without giving a fortune, which I don't have right now. That is kind of what I was hoping to get as far as feedback. I remember reading your refrenced post now. If you feel they are ok, then that is good enough for me. I'll just make sure my tail panel is not Gloss! lol.
Ko-lek-tor, I have been looking for the manufacturer name of the better felts, I think it was "Re-pro Parts" but can't verify it yet. If I find it I will let you know.
I don't understand your comment about the tail panel, could you explain. George
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I'll just make sure my tail panel is not Gloss! lol.
I don't understand your comment about the tail panel, could you explain. George
George, That was my attempt to rely on my memory (not reliable) and add some humor (just confused many) and I apologize. I was referencing some long debated topic of whether the SS tailpanel is gloss or semi-gloss and I thought you were adamant in the "gloss" camp. I am in the "semi gloss" group. Anyway back to the serious part, the felts. I would appreciate much if you could find out more information regarding manufacturer and if you have more pics comparing detail with GM, that would be great too. Your attention to detail and fact finding make your opinions very valued and thank you for the research and leg work you already performed to make my decisions easier in my resto.
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Ko-lek-tor, I have been looking for the manufacturer name of the better felts, I think it was "Re-pro Parts" but can't verify it yet. If I find it I will let you know.
The company is Repops. I have not used them yet but some have had success. I'm sure more threads can be found at TC, these are just two I recall from Rick and Roger. All one has to do is ask a vendor what their retuirn policy is. If you don't like them just send them back. I've done it numerous times.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=265033&highlight=repops
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=217520&highlight=repop+window+felts
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Ko-lek-tor, I have been looking for the manufacturer name of the better felts, I think it was "Re-pro Parts" but can't verify it yet. If I find it I will let you know.
... George
It's 'REPOPS' parts; company was began by Harvey Clark, but I've been told he sold the company, who also was one of the three individuals who began the CCCI (now owned by Ecklers Classic Chevy)..
Repops only sells thru their distributors per one of their officers who emailed me (below):
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Good morning Gary,
Thank you for your request. I am sending you to one of our dealers who will have the product. The part # is CA156A and you can get it from Class-tech-cars # 540-896-5758 ask for Chad He will help you.
Mark Cotter
Sales and Product Development
Montco Mfg
3183 Hwy 71s
Mena, AR 71953
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I found the best price (for the outers only) from Lonestar Carparts ($70). In response to your request, I made some comparison photos between one of the door outers and my original part I removed. NOTE: I was wrong about the width of the rubber; it actually seems very close to the original, but when I installed the driverside, the rubber didn't cover the same area of the upper door. It's probably like Sauron posted... ie. something is preventing the new strip from getting as tight to the door as the original?? See photos below.
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myred67-can you confirm if the ones you got from Hearbeatcity were PUI or from a different manufacture?
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I used "Re-Pops" brand on my '69 with the Custom Interior option and they fit about 95%. There was an issue with the inside rear quarter fuzzy that I was able to modify to my acceptance. The tips "might" have ben be a little sharper than original parts but I am sure I reworked them before I installed them. It has been some time and my recolection may be "fuzzy" as well. Used the proper bend-it-yourself staples to install the door fuzzies and it came out good enough for me. I would seek them out if I ever need another set as they seemed to be a better choice in reproduction fuzzies.
-Mark.