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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: VINCE Z28 on February 28, 2014, 03:22:43 AM

Title: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: VINCE Z28 on February 28, 2014, 03:22:43 AM
Is this tag original ?
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: KevinW on February 28, 2014, 03:44:35 AM
looks original to me!
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: KurtS on February 28, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
I think it's OK.
I looked at a car once, LOS105859.  55-55 727
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: VINCE Z28 on February 28, 2014, 08:40:06 PM
Kurt here's the car for that tag.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: VINCE Z28 on February 28, 2014, 08:55:20 PM
Two more. Portland C L.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on February 28, 2014, 09:24:28 PM
Here's the link with more photos...  http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/4322675840.html

Seller's description...

"1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 4 SPD MUNCIE MANUAL. FRESHLY RESTORED TO ALL ORIGINAL SPECS.. NEW PAINT, NEW INTERIOR, COMPLETE MOTOR RE-BUILT.
 This is a 2 original owner car. The second owner had owned it since 1970. The 2nd owner had a Factory replacement 302 installed by BUD Clary Chevrolet. This car is a real authentic Z28 with a real authentic 302, but is not a numbers matching 302. Everything else on the car is numbers matching and code matching down to the original paint/interior. Please, serious buyers only. Call to make an appointment..
 $37,500
 360-904-5371
 12840 NE Airport WayPortland, OR 97230
 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 Z28 RALLYE GREEN
 VIP Motors LLC
 http://www.vipmotorsportland.com"


Paul
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: 69Z28-RS on February 28, 2014, 11:02:19 PM
TWO 'original owners'?   Were they a husband/wife team?     Unless the second owner still owns the car, wouldn't it now be a 'Three Owner' car??
and a 4 owner car after someone buys it from the dealer?
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: KurtS on March 01, 2014, 01:17:49 AM
This is 124379L504991.

There was a guy that was advertising a 1st gen as one-owner. He'd owned it for 4 years.
Umm, let's review some math facts...
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: VINCE Z28 on March 01, 2014, 02:14:51 AM
One to many beers??/ ???
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: KevinW on March 01, 2014, 01:12:57 PM
Hmm, without the original motor, its going to be hard to validate a LOS car is a Z/28.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: Charley on March 01, 2014, 02:39:21 PM
...Maybe look on the gas tank.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 01, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
Charley?  Do you (Or anyone for that matter) have a photo of a build sheet taken from the gas tank of a Van Nuys '69 Camaro?   I'd love to see one (to compare to the one taken from my '69 Corvette gas tank).. :)
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: JohnZ on March 01, 2014, 03:11:00 PM
Charley?  Do you (Or anyone for that matter) have a photo of a build sheet taken from the gas tank of a Van Nuys '69 Camaro?   I'd love to see one (to compare to the one taken from my '69 Corvette gas tank).. :)

Two different documents - the Corvette had a "Corvette Order Copy" that listed color, trim, and options (but didn't have a VIN on it), and the LOS Camaro had a Body Broadcast Copy that had boxes for components down to the part number level.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: Mike S on March 01, 2014, 03:20:43 PM
Hmm, without the original motor, its going to be hard to validate a LOS car is a Z/28.
  Or hard to disprove it.
IMO, I wouldn't get too concerned or too hung up documentation unless you have intentions to resell the car (most here keep their prized possessions) so just enjoy owning and driving it.

Mike
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 01, 2014, 04:51:47 PM
Charley?  Do you (Or anyone for that matter) have a photo of a build sheet taken from the gas tank of a Van Nuys '69 Camaro?   I'd love to see one (to compare to the one taken from my '69 Corvette gas tank).. :)

Two different documents - the Corvette had a "Corvette Order Copy" that listed color, trim, and options (but didn't have a VIN on it), and the LOS Camaro had a Body Broadcast Copy that had boxes for components down to the part number level.

Thanks for the information John.   I had to repair a leak in my gas tank back in the late 80's, and while I had it out, I photographed and then removed the tank sticker to preserve it.   Due to discolorations from glue and accumulated dirt, portions at the top were illegible, and I never realized that the VIN wasn't on it.  I was just happy to verify the options and information that I could read which coincided with what I'd been told by the original owner and from the Protecto-plate...    Why would this document have such detailed information on options, colors, dealer, dates, etc..  but not include the VIN?   Is there some other means of positive association (to a specific car) other than the VIN? 
(PS.  After posting this (It's just TOO EASY to ask JohnZ these questions!)  :)     I did some google searching and found on Corvette forum an explanation of sorts:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-tech-performance/1937373-order-copy-tank-sticker-question.html    )



Does the Camaro Body Broadcast Copy (as used at Van Nuys production) include the car's VIN?
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: KurtS on March 01, 2014, 07:47:16 PM
Yes, take a look at the assembly article.
The body passed to the Chevrolet side, VIN was assigned, and sheets were printed.

No Fisher Body involved with the Corvette, so different process of when the VIN was assigned.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: JohnZ on March 02, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
Why would this document have such detailed information on options, colors, dealer, dates, etc..  but not include the VIN?   Is there some other means of positive association (to a specific car) other than the VIN?


Does the Camaro Body Broadcast Copy (as used at Van Nuys production) include the car's VIN?

The Corvette Order Copy (tank sticker) was printed about three days before the car was built, and Corvettes didn't get their VIN until they left the Paint Shop, so prior to '71 the VIN wasn't known at the time the paperwork stack was computer line-printed (which is why the last six digits of the VIN was hand-stamped on the window sticker). The positive means of association between the Corvette tank sticker and its VIN is another number on the tank sticker, and only the NCRS has that data, which they use for their "Document Validation Service".

The Camaro Body Broadcast Copy includes the VIN.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: Danzo on June 12, 2021, 11:34:49 PM
Looking for all the money now!
Doc
http://msclassiccarsllc.com/VehicleDetails.aspx?vid=814
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: msbrunner@ucdavis.edu on August 25, 2021, 07:02:12 PM
Now listed on BaT by the dealer: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-99/ (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-99/)
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: z28z11 on August 26, 2021, 02:29:03 AM
All the hype, money, effort and advertising, plus all the disclaimers and assurances, and they can't get the Z28 emblem placement on the grille in the right place ?

Really a confidence builder and inspiration for trusting this restorer -

Nice car otherwise/

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: jwbavalon on August 26, 2021, 07:08:11 PM
Good observation z28z11 especially when there are over 100,000 1969 Z28 listed for sale.
Title: Re: Van Nuys Tag on 69 camaro
Post by: Danzo on August 30, 2021, 10:51:45 PM
Sold for 100k
Doc