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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mike S on February 22, 2014, 02:40:32 PM
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I came across this on eBay ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-PACESETTER-1967-camaro-pacesetter-ss-rs-convertible-frame-off-resto-396-c-i-rare-/321330484032?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ad0ca1340&item=321330484032&pt=US_Cars_Trucks ) and noticed two things about the car.
1- Trim Tag - the area where the interior color code is stamped has the character embossed above to what looks between the letters B&O (in BODY) so the left margin placement for that code is way off when compared to others of that date period. I can't see it clearly due to the small posted image but it looks like the seller has all the embossed characters cleaned of paint to stand out.
2- The VIN listed as N155815 (the engine is said to be stamped N15581 but that can be an ad error) seems too early a sequence for a 05D car. My 05B NOR is N218XXX so the Pacesetter VIN sequence period doesn't look right if cars were issued VIN's sequentially.
The trim tag interior color position stamping warrants closer inspection but were Pacesetter cars assigned VIN numbers differently to cause an earlier VIN to be in a later body build?
Mike
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That VIN does seem early. My 02E NOR L-35 is 7N185XXX :)
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Here's engine stamp.
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That sure looks like a re-stamp pad to me especially the T sequence which looks to start even with T0 and curves upwards. I haven't seen pad misalignment that bad before on BB's for 67
Thanks for posting that pic, Vince. Between the VIN vs. date sequence gap, the misplaced interior paint code on the trim tag and the obvious engine pad re-stamp.......
Mike
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Trim tag
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This car has been discussed before.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11345.0
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This tag in interesting....
The interior code 'R' is misplaced relative to a normal left margin for that period and the body number N158382 looks to be off for the few 05D tags I have pictures of which are in the N125XXX range.
Unless someone can state otherwise that Pacesetter cars were stamped on a different addressograph, then this is an obvious misrepresentation.
Mike
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This car has been discussed before.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11345.0
HA! and I even replied to that one too :-) I should have done a search before starting this thread!
Mike
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Here's engine stamp.
Notice how the core plug in the head right above the engine code has been ground to allow access/clearance for the gang stamp holder - I've seen this before. Might be a good explanation of why the stamp line is curved -
Just my opinion -
Steve
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124667N155815
The Pacesetter sale was 'special savings on these': bigger L6, dlx st wheel, wheel covers, bumper guards, etc. *All* pacesetters were L6 cars.
Fake tag
Fake POP
Restamped block.
Not a bad looking car, too bad they added the spoilers...
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This is the text of the pacesetter announcement:
"For Release: IMMEDIATELY
(4878)
"DETROIT -- Chevrolet and its dealers are launching a nationwide Camaro Pacesetter sales campaign this month to mark the selection of the Camaro as pace car for this year's Indianapolis 500 race on Memorial Day.
"The campaign, running through June, will feature specially equipped Camaros and Fleetside pickup trucks at special savings. There will be special advertising support in the various media, including large newspaper ads, network television and radio plus spot radio and TV and dealer merchandising and promotional material.
"During the Pacesetter event, Camaro buyers can get the special hood stripe and floor-mounted shift for three-speed transmission at no extra cost with special savings also available on Powerglide automatic transmission, power steering and power brakes.
"Also offered is a half-ton Fleetside pickup truck with special savings when equipped with some of the most popular options and accessories. These include custom appearance items, pushbutton radio, a larger capacity six-cylinder engine and heavy-duty suspension.
"4 -- 10 -- 67"
Just to be clear the "pacesetter promotion" had nothing to do with the production of any of the 67 pace cars, although dealers are known to have ordered white convertibles with deluxe blue interiors to try and cash in on the pace cars used at the track.
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Mark was the L6 mandatory for the truck and the Camaro?
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Here's a link to the Pacesetter TV Commercial;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNBpX29Qtn0
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*All* pacesetters were L6 cars.
I think that's true of trucks too.
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124677N155815
NOR 158332
Sold by elitecards on ebay Oct 13, 2013 for $45,100
(just for the archive)
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Fwiw I believe I have a pacesetter promo car. The original L6 is gone but from the broken badge on fender it looked like a 250.
Obviously nothing special , possibly build date coincides with the promo?
I could be wrong.
O3D E
TR 760-Z T-1
2B 3SK
5B
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I think that's just a bit too early. I haven't seen a pacesetter before April.
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I think that's just a bit too early. I haven't seen a pacesetter before April.
Would it have been possible for the zone office (since dealer code 0) to get one early for promo duty?
Since I have never seen this combo on another car and can't picture it , I am thinking it was a pretty sharp looking Camaro at one time.
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I doubt. It was a discount program.
The zone would be responsible for pushing the program to dealers via paperwork.
And I pulled together a bunch of info on pacesetters:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11967.0
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Exactly.. and the only thing they were intended to 'set the pace' for.. was SALES.. :)
ie.. nothing special about the cars except for the options that were discounted to zero.... the factories have always done similar things (and still do) to spur orders when sales are slow...
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Exactly.. and the only thing they were intended to 'set the pace' for.. was SALES.. :)
ie.. nothing special about the cars except for the options that were discounted to zero.... the factories have always done similar things (and still do) to spur orders when sales are slow...
I realize that it was nothing special I was just thinking since my car has most of those options it may have been.
Now I am also curious why this (nothing special) car ended up at the zone office.
With the the options available at the time, why go for a 6-banger vert?