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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: Edgemontvillage on December 17, 2013, 06:58:28 PM

Title: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: Edgemontvillage on December 17, 2013, 06:58:28 PM
I discovered (with help from Jerry M) that the drain and fill plugs in my 3/69 build date Muncie M22 transmission were likely from either a late 1969 or post 1969 production M22. The plugs are made by Lisle and I have seen them stamped with a P, W (with underline), the Lisle script only, with the Lisle Magnetic 2 script and Lisle Magnetic 3 script.  The Lisle Magnetic 2 design is correct for my transmission build date and most early/mid 1969 and prior M22 production transmissions. The Lisle Magnetic 2 plugs also have a unique dual spade magnet design (see "bottom view" photo).

My M22, "before" photo, Lisle Plugs with P stamping  

(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/9526/bz4i.jpg)

Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs, top view  
(http://imageshack.us/a/img543/6628/zw8y.jpg)

Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs, bottom view  
(http://imageshack.us/a/img29/4708/fvkz.jpg)

The installed "after" photos: Lisle Magnetic 2 script plugs
(http://imageshack.us/a/img546/903/tffo.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img14/2741/ztv5.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/3830/6hzp.jpg)

"Other" Lisle transmission plugs I have seen:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img29/5597/z82x.jpg)

Typical of magnetic bottom design of most Lisle plugs I have seen.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img826/3350/31wd.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img440/8522/y685.jpg)






Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: copo on December 17, 2013, 07:59:17 PM
Did Jerry M say that m-22 the used a magnetic fill plug ? My original m-22 only had a magnetic plug on the drain and the fill plug was non magnetic.
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: Hans L on December 17, 2013, 10:48:45 PM
Looks good Lloyd.  Those are correct per my discussion with Jerry as well.   Here's the plugs that are on my Z's original M22.   After Jerry rebuilt it, he requested follow-up pics for his files and research.   Confirmed original for the car/trans.  Built date of the car is 04B.   Note that the trans came with two magnetic plugs - both the same.

(http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Trans%20Drain%20Plug/DSC_9248_zps0d9c0d5f.jpg) (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Trans%20Drain%20Plug/DSC_9248_zps0d9c0d5f.jpg.html)

(http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Trans%20Drain%20Plug/DSC_9250_zpsd7969f21.jpg) (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Trans%20Drain%20Plug/DSC_9250_zpsd7969f21.jpg.html)

(http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Trans%20Drain%20Plug/DSC_9256_zpsea9d8917.jpg) (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/jwlittooy/media/Trans%20Drain%20Plug/DSC_9256_zpsea9d8917.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: Edgemontvillage on December 18, 2013, 12:30:27 AM
Looks good Lloyd.  Those are correct per my discussion with Jerry as well.   Here's the plugs that are on my Z's original M22.   After Jerry rebuilt it, he requested follow-up pics for his files and research.   Confirmed original for the car/trans.  Built date of the car is 04B.   Note that the trans came with two magnetic plugs - both the same.


Thanks for the confirmation Hans, your Lisle plugs look identical to my replacements. 
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: 69Z28freak on December 18, 2013, 05:53:46 AM
Nice work on documenting the different plugs Lloyd. I was unaware until now that the M22 had a drain plug. Great detail here, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: JohnZ on December 18, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Nice work on documenting the different plugs Lloyd. I was unaware until now that the M22 had a drain plug. Great detail here, keep up the good work.

All M22's had a drain plug. The cast boss for it was on all Muncie cases, but it was only drilled/tapped for a plug on M22's and on ALL Muncies starting in 1970. Many rebuilders also added the drain plug to pre-1970 Muncies.
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: bcmiller on December 19, 2013, 12:53:47 AM
I have visited the Lisle Manufacturing plant that made the original plugs.  I tried to see if they could make them again with the same original lettering.  No dice.  

I believe the LISLE 3 plug was in use prior to the M22 being introduced (so it is prior to 1965).  

There are at least three minor variations of the LISLE MAGNETIC 2 plug.  The 1969 model year type plugs were also used in 1968 M22s in Camaros.   

From what I can tell, the P and LISLE plugs are 1970 and later.  Possibly some in very late 1969 but not sure on that.  Typically used when there was both a fill and drain plug.

The W plug with underline is a fill plug, the normal plug for M20 and M21 transmissions 1969 and earlier.  
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: Edgemontvillage on December 19, 2013, 12:58:42 AM
I have visited the Lisle Manufacturing plant that made the original plugs.  I tried to see if they could make them again with the same original lettering.  No dice. 

I believe the LISLE 3 plug was in use prior to the M22 being introduced (so it is prior to 1965). 

There are at least three minor variations of the LISLE MAGNETIC 2 plug.  The 1969 model year type plugs were also used in 1968 M22s in Camaros.   

From what I can tell, the P and LISLE plugs are 1970 and later.  Possibly some in very late 1969 but not sure on that.  Typically used when there was both a fill and drain plug.

The W plug with underline is a fill plug, the normal plug for M20 and M21 transmissions 1969 and earlier. 



Bryon, thanks for filling in some additional details on the applications.
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: bcmiller on December 19, 2013, 01:02:58 AM
Lloyd, I changed your quote from my earlier post because I made some edits after you made the quote.

Your second picture shows two types of the LISLE MAGNETIC 2 plug.  I will try to post a picture of the other one later.
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: bcmiller on December 19, 2013, 01:28:19 AM
Well I guess there are maybe four different LISLE MAGNETIC 2 plugs.  And the 3 plug is a larger diameter.  

Plug with the 2 in the lower left is probably a 1965-1967 M22 plug.

Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: bcmiller on December 19, 2013, 05:50:13 PM
Another picture showing plugs from both sides.  From left to right.
LISLE MAGNETIC 2
LISLE magnetic
P magnetic
W fill plug (note - not magnetic)
No marks magnetic - current plug that is not correct, but is functional for the task.  I have about 100 of these new.

Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: Edgemontvillage on December 19, 2013, 08:50:25 PM
Another picture showing plugs from both sides.  From left to right.
LISLE MAGNETIC 2
LISLE magnetic
P magnetic
W fill plug (note - not magnetic)
No marks magnetic - current plug that is not correct, but is functional for the task.  I have about 100 of these new.


Quite the collection Bryon.
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: 69Z28freak on December 19, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
Another picture showing plugs from both sides.  From left to right.
LISLE MAGNETIC 2
LISLE magnetic
P magnetic
W fill plug (note - not magnetic)
No marks magnetic - current plug that is not correct, but is functional for the task.  I have about 100 of these new.


Quite the collection Bryon.

Impressive!
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: rodent on March 06, 2016, 07:24:40 AM
I have one to give away, how do you work out who you give it to????

Not sure if it's for a '69 though  :-\
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: 69Z28-RS on March 07, 2016, 03:46:52 AM
Come up with a contest of some sort..  those are fun..  :)
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: firstgenaddict on March 07, 2016, 06:41:30 AM
Are the stamped ones designation plugs STEEL or forged vs the other's which appear to be cast.
Title: Re: Fill & Drain Plugs 1969 Muncie M22
Post by: bcmiller on March 09, 2016, 08:26:52 PM
James, I can not say for sure, but the W fill plug appears to be cast.  The others appear to be forged.