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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Restoration => Topic started by: enio45 on November 30, 2013, 04:41:03 PM
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Has anyone matched the orig color on the DELCO Script and the Caps ?
I'm going to paint the text and caps on my repo battery to look like the original and
would like to get a color match if anyone has this available?
Thanks a lot Lloyd (Edgemont) for giving me extra work to do!!
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Has anyone matched the orig color on the DELCO Script and the Caps ?
I'm going to paint the text and caps on my repo battery to look like the original and
would like to get a color match if anyone has this available?
Thanks a lot Lloyd (Edgemont) for giving me extra work to do!!
Hey Eddie are you referring to the Yellow colour on the "Y" series batteries? As you know red is for the "R" series batteries. I think Lloyd knows a guy who knows a guy!
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yes, correct - I need the color match for the yellow and the red - 2 cars to do!
ok, ill ask Lloyd - thanks for the reply
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yes, correct - I need the color match for the yellow and the red - 2 cars to do!
ok, ill ask Lloyd - thanks for the reply
Are you painting the caps and the script by hand. I plan on doing the same. I am going to go with a R55 and paint the caps and the script as I prefer the yellow to the red and it is more correct.
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Im thinking of getting a stencil made so that u can overlay it and spray it on with adhesion promotor so it will stick and last.
I need to check to see if the DELCO lettering is the same on all the batteries that we are doing - If you want to send to me your exact height and length of the wording and a pic, ill check with my other ones and see if I can get the stencils made up.
You can email me at edm@montiniaz.com
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Im thinking of getting a stencil made so that u can overlay it and spray it on with adhesion promotor so it will stick and last.
I need to check to see if the DELCO lettering is the same on all the batteries that we are doing - If you want to send to me your exact height and length of the wording and a pic, ill check with my other ones and see if I can get the stencils made up.
You can email me at edm@montiniaz.com
I don't have the battery yet. If I was to send you any pics I would just take a picture of Llyod's battery. I like the stencil idea.
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Ed, it was great to talk with you at the show, you do amazing work, however, after hearing what Lloyd had to say.... I just have to see more of the Italians! ;)
From what I can determine the originals appear to have been "rolled on" as indicated by the marks I have seen in the paint on the NOS ones.
I made a roller using a paint roller and some 1/8" thick foam from the craft store, then mixed some paint and tried a couple of passes on an old raised letter license place then went at it.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DOCi2SU77s0/URBWjTBUT0I/AAAAAAAABVg/oPjqVuxSLik/w798-h599-no/2013.02.04+061.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-47bmM5CWGsY/UPNQ57Ikx_I/AAAAAAAABMA/CGKTCQiQLco/w750-h563-no/2013-01-13+102_1000pix.jpg)
If you mask around the script to keep it off the case you will not get paint down in the letters, although if I remember correctly Lloyds does have paint running into one of the letter knockouts.
The surface is not porous it does not take much paint to fully coat the letters.
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James,
Not meaning to change the thread, but I can't help notice your fender inner sections don't have full coverage of blue paint (I can see primer along the metal folds).
That looks pretty 'factory' to me and nice. Was it like that originally on the one you restored? Being they were sprayed by hand I can certainly understand how that final finish came about.
Mike
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Eddie, the battery I currently have in my car (below) is a repro Restoration Battery (R59). I replaced the red filler caps with original, vintage Y series Delco caps so it has the appearance of a Y55. The give-away of course is that the terminal polarity is conventional with + positive on the left (drivers) side. On the original Y55s the terminal polarity was reversed. The second and third photos are of a vintage NOS Y55 battery that I sold earlier this year. As James noted you can see how the paint was applied on the embossed DELCO Energizer letters, showing runs especially on the large D, C & O.
My engine compartment with a mock Y55
(http://imageshack.us/a/img834/4231/pxvx.jpg)
Original NOS Y55
(http://imageshack.us/a/img31/3503/0dv3.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img854/6813/75vh.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img713/5315/sjbh.jpg)
As your car is a late production, long after late April 1969, it would have been spec'd with a side terminal Y77.
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thanks guys, nice work -
I don't think they repo the y77 battery, however ill get the paint job done on the script and cap on the battery in the car - nice touch for my car as well as the red rs ss we did this yr as well.
thanks James for the comments and nice to meet you too
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I'm confused but been there before ;D
I did not remember any original Y55 batteries back in the day with the Delco painted yellow and the NOS one I have (yea, it's a later service replacement) needed to have the caps painted yellow which I completed. I checked my archives and found this picture Jerry had posted from the GM archives showing a 68 Z/28 from the factory. It shows no yellow Delco script.
Not saying it's wrong but what are we using as a base that is the way they came from the factory?
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/1968Z28EngineGMPhoto-Copy_zpsb01e5bfd.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/1968Z28EngineGMPhoto-Copy_zpsb01e5bfd.jpg.html)
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I'm confused but been there before ;D
I did not remember any original Y55 batteries back in the day with the Delco painted yellow and the NOS one I have (yea, it's a later service replacement) needed to have the caps painted yellow which I completed. I checked my archives and found this picture Jerry had posted from the GM archives showing a 68 Z/28 from the factory. It shows no yellow Delco script.
Not saying it's wrong but what are we using as a base that is the way they came from the factory?
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/1968Z28EngineGMPhoto-Copy_zpsb01e5bfd.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/1968Z28EngineGMPhoto-Copy_zpsb01e5bfd.jpg.html)
Nice pic chick. Yours seems to match Lloyd's battery. He used the Yellow Caps, but left the script black. I suspect that is correct. However like you said, what are we using for reference. I plan to do my battery like Lloyds. However from a personal perspective, I do prefer the look of the yellow Delco script.
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If that pic is org achieves, look at the heat riser position....there has been much discussion on this from the point of what is the correct position.
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The info on http://www.restorationbattery.com/gmproducts.html is wrong for '69?
It mentions the R79S battery for a late '69 and also shows the side posts
http://www.restorationbattery.com/r79s.html
Mike
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If that pic is org achieves, look at the heat riser position....there has been much discussion on this from the point of what is the correct position.
Also note unpainted fewer clam for heater hoses.
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If that pic is org achieves, look at the heat riser position....there has been much discussion on this from the point of what is the correct position.
Also note unpainted fewer clam for heater hoses.
That may very well be gray phosphate on that clamp.
Mike
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we always phosphate those clamps -
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we always phosphate those clamps -
Yes must be phosphated. Looks like a lighter shade of phosphating. But defiantly not painted, as are most that you see on restored cars.
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If that pic is org achieves, look at the heat riser position....there has been much discussion on this from the point of what is the correct position.
Yea, if something can be put on one way or the other in a process there will be a population that are assembled not according to the normal process. And in assembly work wording with 10's of seconds I can imagine it happened a few times during the model year. Guess we could call it process variation. :)
On another note our late 70's NOS Y55 came with red ringed parts which we changed in anticipation of the finished 68Z restoration.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_7565.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_7565.jpg.html)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_7566.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/68%20Camaro%20Z28/100_7566.jpg.html)
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Its always interesting what you can note. When Jerry posted this pic the first thing that jumped out at me was the negative battery cable location (routing).
Guess its why in some cases or many there is no ONE way correct..... :)
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James,
Not meaning to change the thread, but I can't help notice your fender inner sections don't have full coverage of blue paint (I can see primer along the metal folds).
That looks pretty 'factory' to me and nice. Was it like that originally on the one you restored? Being they were sprayed by hand I can certainly understand how that final finish came about.
Mike
First I was fortunate enough to have access to the car Lloyd currently owns for about 5
I set them up on a "buck" as described by JohnZ with about a 2" gap between the panels, and let the paint fall where it did.
I am painting a 69 X66 conv for a customer now and the same will apply for it, although with silver over gray primer it is difficult to tell where the transition occurs...
Here are some firewall pics of the silver laying over the gray...
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DIKygeqVI6Q/Uok940QbxZI/AAAAAAAAE50/78g26n3oc28/s512/101B7290.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D0NNeUqIciQ/Up-TnWWGHnI/AAAAAAAAFAU/5diE_RNfy9k/s512/100B8501.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-COrhE9obqL8/Uok-BKCSRdI/AAAAAAAAE3E/i7oGj6ByLcc/s720/101B7130.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HJ_6yNu3j_I/Uok-AW-w9zI/AAAAAAAAE3A/7EEhyYK_xqI/s720/101B7142.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1YIgWiVzAYU/Uok-4u6CrJI/AAAAAAAAE3s/zj0xjTjyVTQ/s720/101_7064.JPG)
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Here is an early photo of a 1969 Z/28 engine compartment that appeared in Hot Rod Magazine. You can clearly see the DELCO script is painted on the battery. The "Delco Eye" filler cap should be in the second from right (passenger side) position as shown. The photo Chick posted (originally from Jerry) is from a 1968.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img138/3905/nwr2.jpg)
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Also note unpainted fewer clam for heater hoses.
That snap-closed heater hose clamp was phosphated or Parkerized from the supplier.
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Eddie, this is the battery you want for the production date of your car, its the only repro I'm aware of that is a side terminal design and with the appearance of a Y77, just needs painting. Batteries from this company have been poorly received by the hobby however they now have a 4 year warranty which is an improvement. I use a top post battery I bought from them that has served me well for almost 3 years (so far).
Web Site: http://www.restorationbattery.com/r79s.html
(http://imageshack.us/a/img28/4285/gju.gif)
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Lloyd - yes I agree - I do have this or the R89 in the car as we speak..(.have to check)....related to the color - the repro is red - what do u think, paint it yellow?
Im still confused on the color scheme and does the letters get painted as well as the caps?
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Eddie, for the 1,600 mile Z/28 the caps must be painted yellow. It's unclear if the embossed DELCO and Energizer script are also to be painted yellow as there seems to be strong evidence to support painted or unpainted. Personally for a restored car I prefer painted lettering as James did per the photos he posted on this thread. It looks sharp adds color to the engine compartment and is supportably correct.
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Could also be that Delco colored the lettering for the 69 year were previous years it was left blank..??.
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I agree the Yellow Script does look sharp. Key is painting is so it looks clean and crisp!
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I was asked for a color match on the Yellow.
The only way I can give a color match is through using a Pantone book.
The Pantone number which I used is 3945.
**If you put the paint on thin the black of the case will cause the yellow to go to the green side.
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I noticed another important detail in the factory photo of the Z28 engine in Post #10: the valve cover retainers are UNDER the spark plug wire retainers, and the latter were installed with the "hollow" side facing down.
I've heard arguments that the spark plug wire retainers should be installed with the hollow side facing up and the valve cover retainers should be on top...inside the hollow side of the plug retainers. This factory photo shows what left the factory. Also, the picture in the 68 AIM (I don't have the AIM with me as I write this comment) on radio ground straps looks to me like a retainer order similar to what is shown in this photo. The ground strap goes between the valve cover and valve cover retainer, with the plug wire retainer on top (hollow side facing down).
Bernie
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Here is my battery that I painted with some paint I found at a hobby store. I am happy with the result. And no it is not a "Topper" its a new R-59.
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/69z28freak/69%20Camaro%20Photo%20Shoot%202/IMG_9971_zpsc2a42b3c.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/69z28freak/media/69%20Camaro%20Photo%20Shoot%202/IMG_9971_zpsc2a42b3c.jpg.html)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/69z28freak/69%20Camaro%20Phase%204/IMG_4029_zps54be3270.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/69z28freak/media/69%20Camaro%20Phase%204/IMG_4029_zps54be3270.jpg.html)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/69z28freak/69%20Camaro%20Phase%204/IMG_4030_zps9a7a4a1f.jpg) (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/69z28freak/media/69%20Camaro%20Phase%204/IMG_4030_zps9a7a4a1f.jpg.html)
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That looks good. I would like to find a dummy battery just to swap in for shows. I think the NOS or Repro is quite expensive. Has anybody found a good source just for a case ? Or does anyone have a original side post battery used or otherwise they are will to part with?
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Friends original Y77 battery from the factory on his 69Z did NOT have the Delco in yellow but the later service replacement purchased did.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/Survivor%20Camaros/100_9341_zpsa4cf157e.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/Survivor%20Camaros/100_9341_zpsa4cf157e.jpg.html)
Later service replacement purchased in 1974 did!
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z117/1-2-b-67L89/Survivor%20Camaros/100_9340_zps79964ff2.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/1-2-b-67L89/media/Survivor%20Camaros/100_9340_zps79964ff2.jpg.html)
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Sorry have to ask, Does he want to part with either of those?
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Sorry have to ask, Does he want to part with either of those?
No, the original born with battery is back in the car and the latter service replacement will be a spare for possible use latter on another car. If he was going to I'd have the rascal. :)
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very good. Glad your on top of it.
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very good. Glad your on top of it.
Thought you might ask how is he using the original battery? :)
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I just figured he was using it as a dummy battery. Did he go through the work of reusing a case?
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No, the original born with battery is back in the car and the latter service replacement will be a spare for possible use latter on another car.
Hey Chick, how is he using the original battery? ;)
Paul
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Hey Paul,
This past Spring Carlisle a good friend of mine who is a C2 NCRS judge told me about how the NCRS gang are cutting the bottom out of original batteries and stripping the plates (guts) out and then putting in a high energy small battery (Miata battery and others) inside and hooking up the terminals from the battery placed inside to the underside of the original battery terminals. He later sent information who I passed onto my friend and bingo, it's done. What a great idea if one has an original case and how many can say hey "that's the original battery in there!" :) A note: Cutting the bottom out of the old battery and stripping the plates and guts out is a time consuming and messy deal. Well worth it but again, not a quickie job!
No, the original born with battery is back in the car and the latter service replacement will be a spare for possible use latter on another car.
Hey Chick, how is he using the original battery? ;)
Paul
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I have seen guys take the time out to do it, looks like quite the undertaking.
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^ that's pretty dedicated, but hope they take appropriate precautions against the hydrogen gas and acid within! :o