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Title: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: 69Z28-RS on November 27, 2013, 04:08:29 PM
When I disassembled my front clip, I found my driver side inner fender brace still had the seals and clips installed, but on the passenger side, the seal/clips were missing (maybe from a body shop repair early in it's life?)..  Does anyone have an extra original one for the RH side?  The brace was there, but not the seal with clips.  Does anyone reproduce the seals and clips?   Per the AIM, the part numbers called out for each is for a 'brace assembly', implying that the brace with the seals/clips is a single PN, but the only repros I've found have been for the brace only..  no seals or clips.   Any information on this part is appreciated..
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: KevinW on November 27, 2013, 06:50:05 PM
I have never seen a passenger side seal, like the one on the drivers side.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: NoYenko on November 27, 2013, 07:39:53 PM
Gary is this the splash shield you are referring to. If so it was installed to protect the wire harness connector, left side only. George
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: 69Z28-RS on November 28, 2013, 03:52:20 AM
Yes, it's the splash shield; The AIM simply refers to both sides as 'brace assembly' to include the splash shields and necessary clips.  My car did have the driver side in place, but not the splash shield on the passenger side.    When I saw the following ebay auction the other day, it made me think I was missing something, and I also bid on this auction, but did not and it was sold to someone else (This one included the braces and shields on both sides).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290987857632?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

The AIM, and I indicated, was not very helpful, but it did reference both braces as 'assemblies' meaning more than one part each, as PN 3919135-6, Brace ASM -L. & RH.  in UPC 11-13, sheet B2, and on Sheet B1, it shows View B, and references a shield/clips on the passenger side (Seal pn 3949606, Clip pn 3921872, and several staples pn 9985029).  I do not have that passenger side seal/clips and I'd like to find one?
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: NoYenko on November 28, 2013, 02:51:21 PM
Gary the brace assembly may be refering a part with nuts included, like a screw assembly. On sheet B1 it is stated left side only. Part #10 supports the shield and there would have to be an oposite shaped part to be used on the right side. I think what they are selling on Ebay is the right & left braces and two left side shields. George
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: KevinW on November 28, 2013, 02:52:42 PM
That auction includes two left sides seals, not a pair.  the braces are a pair, but the seals are from the same side.  It is just in the pic, one is right side up and the other is upside down, giving the appearance of a pair.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: Mike S on November 28, 2013, 03:23:38 PM
 Interesting!
   When George posted the AIM page, that looked familiar to me. I checked and found the same info he posted in my '67 AIM. Here I thought this was a '69 thing. Looking at my 04B LOS survivor and 5B NOR restored, neither have it installed nor does the 04B survivor look to ever have had it. Looking closer to the AIM revision record it states those items related to the splash shield were "added" 3/30/67. That would explain it not showing up on my 04B yet and I suspect it wasn't installed on the 05B as well due to not being in the implementation start (my notes do not even mention it existed when I disassembled the car in the early 80's). I guess these started to be used end of '67 production run and forward.

Mike

Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: ZLP955 on November 28, 2013, 08:37:40 PM
I have a couple of these seals somewhere, will have to take a close look at those clips and see how hard they'd be to replicate. Funny that pretty much everything else is reproduced on these cars, the passenger side bucket seat tether strap is the only other item that springs to mind....
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: Sauron327 on November 28, 2013, 11:04:22 PM
I have a couple of these seals somewhere, will have to take a close look at those clips and see how hard they'd be to replicate. Funny that pretty much everything else is reproduced on these cars, the passenger side bucket seat tether strap is the only other item that springs to mind....
I have two of these setups removed from parts cars. The clip can be made rather easily. The bracket can also but would be more difficult and has stamped reinforcements. There are photos of them on this site and T.C..

 Justifying part reproduction is based on demand and profit. They don't even make full quarters for LeMans/GTOs. I can understand why they won't make a splash bracket or seatback cable.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: ZLP955 on November 29, 2013, 07:09:03 AM
Quote from: Sauron327
I can understand why they won't make a splash bracket or seatback cable.
Of course, but I find it interesting that just about every single part is available as a reproduction for these cars, with the exception of a couple.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: 69Z28-RS on November 29, 2013, 01:33:59 PM
Quote from: Sauron327
I can understand why they won't make a splash bracket or seatback cable.
Of course, but I find it interesting that just about every single part is available as a reproduction for these cars, with the exception of a couple.
Perhaps the demand is low for such parts because 99% of people aren't even aware the car came with them and their absence is not overtly obvious?
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: Sauron327 on November 29, 2013, 02:10:54 PM
Perhaps the demand is low for such parts because 99% of people aren't even aware the car came with them and their absence is not overtly obvious?
Valid point. One would have needed to tear into these cars over the years to know about that part, and that the LH inner fender brace is made differently from the RH to accomodate that skirt bracket. The last two people for whom I did cars didn't know either, not to mention all the others.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: z28z11 on November 30, 2013, 03:06:18 AM
Here's an observation - notice the AIM shows the number of staples required for the assembly (6) - I count 5 on my original Z shield (shown); I have one for the X66 SS that is missing the material, and has only one staple through the bracket. I would guess that an assembler probably shortcut it, and the seal eventually came off (leaving the bracket behind).

I sure wish my originals looked as good as George's previous example - I wouldn't mind replacing my "survivor" to make it look better than what it does -

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: MyRed67 on November 30, 2013, 04:57:16 AM
Perhaps the demand is low for such parts because 99% of people aren't even aware the car came with them and their absence is not overtly obvious?
Valid point. One would have needed to tear into these cars over the years to know about that part, and that the LH inner fender brace is made differently from the RH to accomodate that skirt bracket. The last two people for whom I did cars didn't know either, not to mention all the others.
  From other points made in this post, I'm sure my 11A built car was way too early for the shield.  As to comment on the Pass. Bucket seat teather cable, I was never aware of it until I started taking the seats apart to clean and re-upholster them.  It does, however, explain the dents in my original Glove box door.  I replaced the Door with another original, completely stripped and restored.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: 68camaroz28 on December 04, 2013, 12:15:42 AM
Back a few years ago I posted pictures of the clip with dimensions.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7488.0
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: BillOhio on April 04, 2014, 02:12:48 AM
Anyone have ideas on finish of clip and piece staples are in? My stapled piece might have been a low gloss black but couldn't tell on clip.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: z28z11 on April 04, 2014, 02:19:26 PM
Clip appears grey phosphate, support bracket is low gloss black, or so mine appears to be. Removed from my car in 1980, not a purchased part, so I know it's original.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: BillOhio on April 04, 2014, 02:24:35 PM
Thanks. That's what I was seeing on mine. Wanted to make sure BEFORE I painted it!
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: firstgenaddict on April 06, 2014, 06:25:26 PM
I had two nice ones which were off low mile cars and they both looked like they were blackened or blued spring steel
one was stamped with a GI
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N5x4nMFbBcA/UM1hBIpttKI/AAAAAAAAAFg/pywIcyyFdU4/w811-h608-no/100_3802.jpg)
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: 68camaroz28 on April 07, 2014, 12:49:15 AM
I had two nice ones which were off low mile cars and they both looked like they were blackened or blued spring steel
one was stamped with a GI
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N5x4nMFbBcA/UM1hBIpttKI/AAAAAAAAAFg/pywIcyyFdU4/w811-h608-no/100_3802.jpg)

X2 with James! Would not say it was phosphate and the closest description I could come up with taking James words is a type of bluish looking spring steel.
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: z28z11 on April 07, 2014, 01:54:34 AM
I dug up the pics of mine - if you look at the inner fold of the clip you can see that the (protected) area is simialr to dark grey phosphate, a mildly rough finish, defintely not blued or shiny in any way. I haven't cleaned it, it's still the same finish as when I took it off the Z in 1980, stored since. I can't speak for all of the clips out there, just my personal sample (and observation), so it's not a large sample size to correlate. Maybe more than one vendor ? Can't say -
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: NoYenko on April 07, 2014, 10:59:04 PM
I came across a picture of my clip today taken after I washed the firewall but before I removed the splash shield. Just for reference. George
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: z28z11 on April 08, 2014, 02:38:27 AM
Looks like mine, only cleaner -

It does remind me of phosphate - any sign of a stamp ? I need to see if mine is marked.

Regards -
Title: Re: clips and seal for RH side inner fender brace
Post by: firstgenaddict on April 11, 2014, 02:07:07 PM
I dropped it in evaporust/safest rust remover, the plate on the top of the heater box which holds the air duct diverter is the same type finish, although most get painted or phosphated as well.