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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: guyfere on November 16, 2013, 03:57:00 AM
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Does anyone know the about dashboard colors? The 67 we're restoring has 2 tones of red. The upper deck (speaker grill) is darker than the lower area.
My research shows no mention of 2 colors separated under the vinyl pad.
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I think what you are seeing is the difference between the 2 different paints used. For the upper deck area, a paint with a suede additive was used to achieve zero gloss. The lower area did not have the texture additive and was not zero gloss.
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I'm going through the same thing with my red interior chevelle. The upper is the zero gloss suede paint as Jeff mentioned. On my 66 chevelle there were two different interior colors used. The upper is a darker red suede zero degree that matches the dash pad. The lower dash, console, tops of the doors, seats etc were a medium red semi gloss. You can contact Jimmy Chips atTCP global and he will be able to look up the correct Ditzler or Dupont paint codes you would need if you are trying to put your interior back to the correct factory color. He worked at Ditzler back in the 70's when they supplied the paints to GM. He is a very knowledgeable, friendly guy that loves the old car hobby. I have his number and direct extension if you want it.
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Also to add. On my chevelle with the top of the dash the darker suede that matches the pad and the rest of the interior a medium red semi gloss, I sent off to Legendary for a seat sample so I can double check to make sure it will match with the medium red semi gloss Ditzler paint number that Jimmy gave me. I'm not positve 67 Camaro would have followed the same two interior color scheme as the Chevelle's but I'm thinking they did. Which would explain the two different colors you are seeing on your dash. Hope this helps.
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All you need to do is provide your jobber with the paint codes and have it mixed just as shops do. Unless you have a mixing system and mix in house. Interior hues varied within the car and codes don't lie. Here are links that you can use for reference. You can also contact your jobber or call the color library for the paint company you use. http://documents.clubexpress.com/documents.ashx?key=Mn9lNR5oNp9Osk1Oybo9zXiUl8H2ZPEfYNR%2fojqMOY6daTf3pOKmoYhGMkL2rkQ%2f
http://www.worldwidecamaroclub.com/pdf/tech/paintcodes.pdf
http://camaroattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=GM&model=Camaro
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Thank you, for all your help! Didn't even notice the different shades of red until the entire interior was removed and the body was on the rotisserie. This was a stunning revelation and I know this car is all original. Again, thank you for all of your help! This was puzzling me for months. You have helped me immensely and I truly appreciate you taking the time to help.
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Bumping this old thread so I can add a note here for future reference. Indeed the top of the red interior car was a very dark zero gloss red that matched the dash pad. I'm restoring a 68 Z28 with this arrangement and when I was a kid Mom had this DD and its very apparent in the photo.
The flat dark red in front of the pad was Ditzler #71486 for interior trim 725.
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Yes, if you look at the backside of the old paint chip code sheets, they would list the flat versus semi gloss codes for each color. The flat versions were almost always darker as well.
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I am ALSO in this situation; I am looking at the easy way out using SEM, Color Coat products? (Since I do not do this EVERY day Shout out to Scott) I may defer to my Hired pro painter when My car goes to Paint Jail.
Jim
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I had the same thing on a 1967 Camaro convertible with red interior…I was wondering why there was 2 reds colors on dash.
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Its the same regardless of interior color as far as shine/hue of the dash top vs dash face. The reflection off the windshield I would assume was a concern and why the suede/textured finish on the top. I am not aware of a separate color callout for the dash top vs face. Might have been process differences or maybe there was an actual different paint. I do not know. It will also diff between NOR and LOS as far as texture of dash top.
Pictured 12D ('67) LOS '68
(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19637.0;attach=32529;image)
(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19637.0;attach=32530;image)
(http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19637.0;attach=32531;image)
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The reason the codes are different for the same color are tints in paint to achieve various gloss levels, hence the formulas. Less glossy colors will appear darker. Just like when shooting BC/CC. Uncleared base looks darker than cleared base.
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All you need to do is provide your jobber with the paint codes and have it mixed just as shops do. Unless you have a mixing system and mix in house. Interior hues varied within the car and codes don't lie. Here are links that you can use for reference. You can also contact your jobber or call the color library for the paint company you use. http://documents.clubexpress.com/documents.ashx?key=Mn9lNR5oNp9Osk1Oybo9zXiUl8H2ZPEfYNR%2fojqMOY6daTf3pOKmoYhGMkL2rkQ%2f
http://www.worldwidecamaroclub.com/pdf/tech/paintcodes.pdf
http://camaroattitude.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=GM&model=Camaro
Links don't work for me. But I remember JM's 1969 Z/28 and SS Camaro Fact Book has a list of finishes printed and noted the dashtop was 30% gloss. I don't recall the gloss percentage for the rest of the interior.
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As info
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The dash paint has suede additive to it and is often referred to as 0% gloss.
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I found this in another post.
It lists the dash top, but does not list remaining interior %.
Camaro Nationals Seminar
MacNeish Book
AIR adjusting brace: Semi-gloss black Black paint, 60 percent gloss
AIR anti-backfire valves: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate
AIR pump support brace: Chevrolet orange paint Chevrolet orange paint
AIR pump bolt: Phosphate (not specified)
AIR smog pump housing: Natural aluminum finish Natural aluminum finish
AIR smog pump pulley: Phosphate Semi-gloss black paint or gray phosphate
AIR smog tubes: Black zinc Semi-gloss black paint or gold cadium dichromate
Air cleaner base, open element: gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint
Air cleaner lid, standard open element: Chrome Chrome
Air cleaner stud: Silver cadium (not specified)
Alternator assembly: Natural aluminum finish Natural aluminum finish
Alternator pulley: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Alternator fan, 1967 Z/28: Semi-gloss black paint Semi-gloss black paint
Alternator bolt, lower: Phosphate (not specified)
Alternator bolt, upper adjusting: Silver radium with special extra thick washer (not specified)
Alternator Brackets, lower/upper: Semi-gloss black orange (not specified)
Alternator brackets, lower (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Alternator brackets, upper (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Alternator brackets, rear: (not specified) Chevrolet orange paint
Alternator bracket spacer: Semi-gloss black or natural 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Battery hold-down clamp: Phosphate Natural metal finish
Battery tray: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Bell housing: Natural with orange over-spray Chevrolet orange paint
Bell crank, throttle linkage: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint
Brake hose bracket: (not specified) Natural metal or silver cadium dichromate
Brake lines: (not specified) Natural metal finish, stainless steel acceptable
Brake switch/manifold: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Bumper brackets, front and rear: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Bumper jack base: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Bumper jack adapter: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Bumper jack mechanism: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Bumper jack pole: (not specified) Gold or silver cadium dichromate
By-pass elbow (water pump 67-68 302): (not specified) Silver or gold cadium dichromate acceptable
Carburetor body: Gold dichromate Gold cadium dichromate
Carburetor lever and arms: Gold cadium on Holley (not specified)
Clutch fork: Natural metal finish Natural metal finish
Clutch linkage: Phosphate Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Coil bracket: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Coil: gloss black (not specified)
Coil bracket mounting bolts: Silver cadium (not specified)
Column locking mechanism: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint
Control arms, front, upper and lower: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Control arms, mounting bolts: Phosphate with silver cadium nuts (not specified)
Control arm shaft, upper: Natural 30 percent gloss black paint
Core support: Semi-gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Cowl plenum air cleaner assembly: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Cylinder heads: Chevrolet orange paint Chevrolet orange paint
Dashboard, top, 1967-68: (not specified) 30 percent gloss paint
Deck lid striker, 1967 all: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Dip stick and tube: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Disc brake caliper mounting brackets (not specified) Gold cadium dichromate
Disc brake backing plates: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Disc brake calipers: (not specified) Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Distributor: Natural Natural aluminum finish
Distributor hold-down bracket: Natural Chevrolet orange paint or natural metal finish
Door latch mechanism screws, (three in door) 1967: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Door striker: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Drive shaft: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Engine block: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Engine lift hooks: Natural Chevrolet orange paint
Engine vent tube: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint
Exhaust manifolds: Natural Natural cast iron finish
Fan blade: gloss black Black paint, approximately 60 percent gloss
Fan clutch assembly: Natural Natural metal, silver or gold cadium dichromate
Fender bolts: Phosphate Black phosphate
Fender skirts, front: Semi-gloss black 30 percent semi-gloss black paint
Firewall: Semi-flat black 30 percent semi-gloss black paint
Firewall stamps "P", "T", "B": orange or green paint orange or green paint, Norwood cars only
Floor pans: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint, original cars usually have body color over spray on the floor boards
Flywheel shield: (not specified) Chevrolet orange paint
Front springs: (not specified) Natural finish
Front cowl area under cowl panel: (not specified) body color to edge of firewall, where firewall and body color meet is a feathered line, not a crisp taped line
Front cowl panel retaining screws: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Front fender support bars: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Front spindles: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Front sway bar mounting kits: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Gas lines: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Gas tank: (not specified) Natural finish, galvanized
Gas tank straps: (not specified) Natural or semi-gloss black paint
Grille, front 1967 RS and non-RS: (not specified) Black
Ground straps, engine bay: Natural copper Natural copper finish
Harmonic Balancer: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Heater box cover: gloss black 60-70 percent gloss black paint, (more gloss than firewall)
Heater hose nipple Intake: , Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Heater hose nipples, water pump: Chevrolet orange (not specified)
Hood hinges: Phosphate gray or black phosphate
Hood latch assembly: Phosphate gray or black phosphate
Hood latch assembly spring: (not specified) gloss black paint
Horns: gloss black 30 percent gloss black paint
Horn relay: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Hose clamps: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
Intake manifold: Natural aluminum Natural aluminum finish (clear coating intake manifolds not acceptable!)
Intake manifold bolts, 302 "TR", "M", "A", non-shouldered hex head style: Silver cadium Silver cadium dichromate
"L" bracket, (holds master cylinder manifold/switch to stud on brake booster): (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Leaf spring shackles: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black
License plate mounting brackets: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Master cylinder: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Master cylinder cover: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate
Master cylinder cover retaining wires: Silver cadium Natural metal finish
Oil cap: Chrome Chrome
Oil fill tube: Chrome Chrome
Oil pan and bolts: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Parking brake cables: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Power brake booster: Gold iridite Gold cadium dichromate
Power steering brackets/braces: Semi-gloss black 60 percent gloss black paint
Power steering pump: gloss black (not specified)
Proportioning valve: Natural or semi-gloss black Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Proportioning valve bracket: Gold cadium Gold cadium dichromate
Pulley, crankshaft: Natural 60 percent gloss black paint or gray phosphate acceptable
Pulley, power steering: Semi-gloss black (not specified)
Pulley, power steering crankshaft (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Pulley, power steering pump: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Pulley, water pump: Semi-gloss black gray phosphate or 60 percent gloss black paint
Radiator: gloss black paint full gloss black paint
Rally wheels: (not specified) Semi-gloss Argent Silver paint front side, semi-gloss black paint back side
Rear axle housing: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint, natural finish acceptable
Rear brake backing plates: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Rear springs: (not specified) Natural finish or gray paint
Rear wheel wells: (not specified) Black undercoating
Shift linkage: (not specified) gray/black phosphate finish
Shock absorbers: (not specified) Semi-gloss gray paint
Spark plug shields: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate
Spark plug wire loom brackets: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Starter motor: Semi-gloss black 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Starter motor brace: Semi-gloss black 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Starter bolts: Silver cadium (not specified)
Steering box: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Steering knuckles: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Steering linkage: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Sub-frame: (not specified) 30 percent gloss black paint
Sway bar, front: (not specified) Semi-gloss black paint or natural finish acceptable
Sway bar brackets: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Thermostat housing: Natural aluminum Silver or Chevrolet orange paint
Throttle linkage: Phosphate (not specified)
Throttle rod: (not specified) Silver cadium dichromate or natural metal finish
Timing chain cover and bolts: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Traction bar, 1967 only: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint
Transmission: (not specified) Natural aluminum finish
Transmission crossmember: (not specified) 30-60 percent gloss black paint
U-bolts, driveshaft: (not specified) Natural metal finish
Underside of front hood: (not specified) 60 percent gloss black paint
Valance panel, front lower: (not specified) painted body color on inside of panel
Valve covers: Chrome Chrome
Voltage regulator: gloss black painted cover with silver cadium base gloss black painted cover with silver cadium base
Water pump: Chevrolet orange Chevrolet orange paint
Water pumps bolts: Chevrolet orange (not specified)
Windshield washer pump cover: Black plastic, natural finish Black plastic, natural finish
Wiper motor: gloss black paint gloss black paint