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Title: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 03, 2013, 04:32:01 AM
Hey I know some of us are into original unrestored cars , I saw this one on ebay tonight. Thought some of you guys would wanna check it out...
item number 300958941447
known history since 71, original paint and drive train and protecto plate!  ANd you gotta love that original flat hood right???
I dig these original Z/28 finds

hopefully the auction goes the full way so we can see what it goes for.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on September 03, 2013, 04:55:38 AM
Here's the link...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300958941447?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D300958941447%26_rdc%3D1

Paul
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 6667ss138 on September 03, 2013, 05:17:31 AM
it was on EBay a few weeks ago and if I remember right it ran its course and brought upper 30's. It showed sold but this is the same seller so I assume the deal didn't go through. I admired it and wished I had the room and extra $ to bid on it last time. It appears to be a nice original survivor.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 03, 2013, 02:56:22 PM
THAT is a gym dandy car...  :)   I love it.     I hope someone buys it who appreciate it for what it IS.. and not what it 'might be'...
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28 on September 03, 2013, 04:44:03 PM
Man, I like that car with the flat hood. The 2 things I wish was on my unrestored Z, the flat hood and original paint. Somebody will get a nice car IF it sells. The economy sucks, at least where I sit. I would like to have it.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on September 03, 2013, 08:16:54 PM
For future searches...

124379N648429

ST69 12437  NOR337085BDY
TR 711  69 69 PNT
05C  X77

Paul
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: jsg1010z on September 04, 2013, 01:53:41 AM
I know I do not have much to post about, but I know the previous owner and car well.  He bought it in 1971 and sold it in Dec 2012.  He found my 69 Z in 1975.  Both were from the same dealer in Louisiana.  I had several chances to buy the silver car, but was not financially able.  The used parts that go with the car ARE the original born with pieces. 
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on September 04, 2013, 05:39:10 PM
Kurt, does this engine stamp look OK?

Paul
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: KurtS on September 04, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Pad looks good.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on September 04, 2013, 09:44:25 PM
Pad looks good.

10-4, thank you.

Paul
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: dannystarr on September 05, 2013, 12:35:05 AM
Why is it that the cowl tag, the block stamp and the POP are always blurring in the pictures. I don't get it. I would have to hold that POP in my hand. I would have to see ALL the block #'s. I don't like the non stock ride height, too low. Nice car but I would still have to check it out, or have someone else, before placing a bid.... Danny
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: myty on September 05, 2013, 03:05:14 AM
What do you mean "to low of a stock ride height?"  It is perfect!
And the cowl tag is clear as a bell!
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: dannystarr on September 05, 2013, 04:14:40 AM
The ride height is not stock. I don't like the height personally. I guess I should have said that. It is incorrect for stock. Don't get me wrong, it looks good, just not my thing. As far as the other... I was talking about ALL the auctions, not just this one. Sure the cowl in this auction happens to be clear, but what about the POP at a bastard angle all blurry, and the front pad stamp all blurry. What's the problem? Why can't people learn to take a clear picture. Like I have said in the past, SOOO frustrating for me.... Danny
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 05, 2013, 05:06:28 AM
The ride height looks very correct to me (for a Z28), and I drove/rode/played with many when they were NEW, in '68 and '69 up thru '72 and later.   Danny, if you don't like 'stock survivor cars', find yourself one that someone has 'restored'.... :)
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: Azure1969Z/28 on September 05, 2013, 06:00:28 AM
i zoomed in on the rally stripe pics. To me they look added or like a later repaint and not the original lacquer. The ride height looks good to me and I think that the protect-o-plate picture is intentionally blurry for privacy of original owner info.  Anyone? Anyone?
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: paceme on September 05, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
The ride height is not stock. I don't like the height personally. I guess I should have said that. It is incorrect for stock. Don't get me wrong, it looks good, just not my thing. As far as the other... I was talking about ALL the auctions, not just this one. Sure the cowl in this auction happens to be clear, but what about the POP at a bastard angle all blurry, and the front pad stamp all blurry. What's the problem? Why can't people learn to take a clear picture. Like I have said in the past, SOOO frustrating for me.... Danny

Obviously the car is 44 years old, so the springs may have fatigued a bit, but I really like the ride height. In fact my 3 survivor Z's all sit like that car. Regarding the pics, if I was interested in the car I certainly would contact the seller and ask specific questions and request additional pics. The pad stamp looks good and the car is well represented.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: dannystarr on September 07, 2013, 05:35:12 AM
69Z28-RS.. I don't remember saying I didn't like stock survivor CARS.. Where do you see that  ??? ??? ???  I in fact love stock survivor cars. I have them all around me. They are not mine, but some friends have them. My buddy has an ALL original Stutz Bearcat. I love original and hate non stock hotrods, and rat rods. Ya completely changed it all to another subject. Ride height is ALL I mentioned. Never said I disliked stock original cars....Danny
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 07, 2013, 02:41:45 PM
Danny,

I inferred that from your statements that the 'stock' Z28 sat too low.   Original Z28s SAT LOWER.. check the specks!   I believe you've looked at too many restored cars with replacement springs (that do not match the factory specs).. that's understandable if that's all you've ever seen.   I suspect most younger enthusiasts that have seen lots more restored Camaros at shows than they have original cars would likely think that.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: jims69 on September 07, 2013, 05:09:16 PM
I like it!    Wish it were in my garage!  Old unrestored cars have always been extremely interesting.    Jim
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: ban617 on September 09, 2013, 01:49:40 AM
     I thought all 69 camaro's came with air shocks and shock extenders.....
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: ban617 on September 09, 2013, 01:50:59 AM
 I think this sets at the same height or really close to my car .....
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 09, 2013, 08:20:33 AM
well share a picture with us of your car, so we can see the ride height.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: ban617 on September 09, 2013, 07:33:08 PM
Here are all the pics of my car http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/vannuysz28/ there are a lot of them.....
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 10, 2013, 12:43:10 AM
That is a dream find, I rember reading about it on another site, a diamond in the rough. The stance looks right on to me. Since you have so much original paint , are you going to try to ruth it into a driver?
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: ban617 on September 10, 2013, 01:11:04 AM
 I am in between total restore or not ........
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28-RS on September 10, 2013, 01:15:02 AM
Welll, from my perspective, the underside needs to be 'restored/preserved'..  since so many body panels have damage, and some need replacement (under rear window) you'[re going to do a total repaint.   I'm sure the mechanicals need to be rebuilt, so that leaves only a question of the upholstery, which I didn't see enough of..  It's *mostly a 'restoration'*, and  if you go ahead and restore/preserve as each part requires, you'll probably be happier in the long run if it's all restored!
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 10, 2013, 03:21:50 AM
I see the rear window area as a repair. BUT before I did a total restore I think I would just do the metal repair on the rear window, have "Magic Mike" pull the rest of the dents and get it as straight and then get it operational and put some miles on it.
While I enjoy my Camaro as is, and I was fortunate to get it in decent condition, my other cars were mostly projects when I got them. I drove my 66 Chevelle as a driver for years before completing a frame off resto on it. I think I enjoyed the hell out of it when it was driver, I still think it is sweet now that it is 99% done, but anyone can drive a finished turn key car. It takes more gear head passion to run a driver....IMHO
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: dannystarr on September 10, 2013, 05:56:12 AM
Well she went to $39,100 reserve NOT met. Looks like he might want 50K even  ??? .... Danny
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 10, 2013, 04:55:10 PM
I don't think 50K would be a bad deal for that car.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: ZLP955 on September 10, 2013, 09:36:32 PM
Here are all the pics of my car http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/vannuysz28/ there are a lot of them.....
Was that once Van's car?
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: ban617 on September 10, 2013, 09:50:18 PM
Yes it was
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: jsg1010z on September 11, 2013, 02:07:30 AM
Just got off the phone with the guy that owned it from 1971 until it sold in Dec 2012.  Paint is original  This owner knew the car when new.  The only thing is question is the pinstripe which was possibly added at the original  dealer. 
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 11, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
re-listed with a buy it now for $55k
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on September 11, 2013, 04:50:09 PM
re-listed with a buy it now for $55k

"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Z28-/300963714097?ViewItem=&vxp=mtr&item=300963714097&nma=true&si=Jr3MuZe0RLUoKv3aUXFU0lLAqbA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Paul
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 13, 2013, 06:44:41 AM
re-listed $57,000. or make an offer . I wonder if he had multiple guys emailing him about it
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: dannystarr on September 14, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
Do we FOR SURE know that the block is the correct one that came in THIS car?... Danny
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on September 14, 2013, 12:30:04 AM
Well he does have the protecto plate, but Kurt would know about the block...
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 1968RSZ28 on September 14, 2013, 03:06:19 AM
re-listed $57,000. or make an offer . I wonder if he had multiple guys emailing him about it

Link...  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-1969-Camaro-Z28-/300964891380?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4612e7caf4

Paul
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 12, 2013, 02:30:02 AM
Bullitt65

Thanks for posting this car. I bought it. I would not have found it if you would not had posted it here.

Also thanks to jsg1010z for helping me to get in touch with the gentleman that owned the car from 1971 to 2012. I have had several conversations with him up until I bought the car.

Once I get the car I will post more pictures than what the ebay ad had. Should get in next Friday or so.

I plan to detail the car, put all the original parts on the car. Have James Groome fix and paint the original grill and reinstall it and fix the dent in the quarter.

Thanks again guys.

Lawrence
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 12, 2013, 02:46:36 AM
Hey Lawrence,

Don't thank me yet! Make sure you receive it as described AND it's worthy of your hard earned money.. :)

...then you can just thank me with some original/nos parts.... ;D

j/k man I hope the car is as nice as it looked on the auction. I am glad someone got it who will keep it in original condition !

 i look forward to all the pics...
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 12, 2013, 03:02:01 AM
I look forward to getting it and pouring over it.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: x77-69z28 on October 12, 2013, 04:05:10 AM
Lawrence, congratulations on your purchase. It looks like an amazing survivor. Please take a lot of detailed photos and post them. I am very happy for you
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 21, 2013, 02:21:06 AM
Got the car last night at 9 PM but I was out and did not see the car until 11:30. Car is awesome and drives great too. The chambered exhaust sound really nice, but will have to change the tail pipes.. The car came with a stack of paper work that the seller did not post online. The POP is perfect, the owners manual and original sleeve. The original license plate hardware in the little brown envelopes still un opened. The engine mount recall notice from Chevy with the original envelope dated 1971.

The body is perfect not rust anywhere. The interior is in great shape too but the bottom of the dash cover is peeled up badly. Door panels all original and mint, all the seat belts there, headliner perfect, all the original glass in the car. Trunk spatter is all there and very nice. Five YH wheels all dated 4 -24 - 69. Original master cylinder, booster, distributor. The alternator bracket has several holes drilled in it not sure why? I will post pictures tomorrow. I need more pictures of the car outside in the daylight. I did get it washed tonight and it had to have years worth of dirt on it....crazy.

The engine is the born with along with tranny and rear end. Like I said earlier all original body panels with the dates on the fenders, the factory stamps in the trunk gutter and the stamp on the lower flange of the hood.

The amount of extra parts were a surprise. GM head light bezels, GM shifter boot, original shifter, shifter rods, reverse lock out linkage and the crank. Several original fasteners. The original spare tire is on the original wheel with the original jack, stand and lug wrench. I have not had a chance to put it on my lift but will do that tomorrow.

Lawrence
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 21, 2013, 03:37:43 AM
Well so far so Good Lawrence. Sounds like it was a acurate description on ebay up to this point. So you have a Gold Camaro, and now a Silver, is the next one going to be Bronze :D
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 22, 2013, 01:41:41 AM
http://s945.photobucket.com/user/LawrenceShaw/library/Silver%201969%20Z28%20Survivor

Hopefully the link is not broken.

Enjoy the pictures guys.

Note the VIN stamp by the oil Filter.

Lawrence

Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: ZLP955 on October 22, 2013, 03:22:42 AM
Love that car! Congratulations Lawrence
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28-RS on October 22, 2013, 04:00:50 AM
Yes, very nice original car; take care of her and preserve her *G*..
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 22, 2013, 04:20:37 PM
Thanks guys. Definitely a cool car but with a few bugs to work out. Which is the fun!
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 24, 2013, 08:08:27 PM
Looks like from your pic and signature that your Gold Z 39K is also pretty original with the POP. Which car is more original? Do they both drive the same?
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: KurtS on October 24, 2013, 11:21:30 PM
Who is the selling dealer (on the silver Z)?
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 25, 2013, 03:08:51 AM
No dealer, individual.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 25, 2013, 03:11:52 AM
Looks like from your pic and signature that your Gold Z 39K is also pretty original with the POP. Which car is more original? Do they both drive the same?
Silver car is more original. There were a few odds and ends missing on the Gold car, but the Silver car is all there except for the Alternator. Both cars are well documented.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 25, 2013, 03:14:46 AM
Looks like from your pic and signature that your Gold Z 39K is also pretty original with the POP. Which car is more original? Do they both drive the same?
The Silver car has 104K miles on it so the interior is not near as nice as the Gold car. The Gold car drives better too since it has radials, new front springs and I re arched the rear springs. It is rattle free...pretty cool for an old car.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 25, 2013, 03:28:01 AM
No dealer, individual.
Kurt the guy I bought the car from lived in the next town over from the gentleman that owned the car from 1971 - 2012. He had known about the car since he was a kid. He bought it Dec 2012 and was planning on painting it and driving it but decided not too. Said he had too many projects and decided to sell.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 25, 2013, 04:05:41 AM
I think what Kurt is asking is who is the original dealer on the POP who sold the car in 69?
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 25, 2013, 04:32:40 AM
Oh Dah...I am not home right now out of town on business but I think Red River Chevrolet from Shreveport LA. The keys are on a Red River Chevy key chain.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: KurtS on October 26, 2013, 04:31:49 AM
Thanks. And thanks for the translation Austin!
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: BULLITT65 on October 26, 2013, 04:41:51 AM
Were all here to help in some way..... my translation was about all I'm good for... :D
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 6667ss138 on October 26, 2013, 11:26:13 AM
Sure glad you got her and it went to someone that will preserve and appreciate the originality. The first time it ran on EBay I contacted him and was very interested in it but just not in a position to buy it without selling one of my chevelles which I considered doing. Love the color and history of the car. Congratulations!
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 26, 2013, 03:58:51 PM
Sure glad you got her and it went to someone that will preserve and appreciate the originality. The first time it ran on EBay I contacted him and was very interested in it but just not in a position to buy it without selling one of my chevelles which I considered doing. Love the color and history of the car. Congratulations!
From your signature it looks like you have very nice Chevelles. I can understand the reluctance to part with one of them.

The Silver car is very cool for sure. I am very happy with it. Look forward to putting the original shifter, shifter linkage back in. I am going to try and fix the original grill too. The second owner told me he painted it flat black in the early 70's just like everyone else did. The original Cortez Silver is still on the perimeter of the grill. If I can't get it fixed then I will just paint the grill that is in the car. There are two bad spots behind the back glass on the outboard corners that I am going to fix too. The paint has acid rain marks on it so I will have to lift those. The paint does not have any lacquer checking in it. Not positive the best way to remove the acid rain. I am guessing with polish compound using the most delicate first then moving to more aggressive if the marks dont come up? Any advice here is welcomed.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 26, 2013, 04:17:21 PM
Here is a link to various photos that I have taken of the car. I need to take inside pics too.
Enjoy

http://s945.photobucket.com/user/LawrenceShaw/library/Silver%201969%20Z28%20Survivor?sort=2&page=1
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28-RS on October 26, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
The polishing compound would be a good first try, and when you've achieved what you are after, then I'd wax it good to preserve what's left.  In fact, polishing the entire car and then waxing it well is what I'd do to preserve what you have...  A 44 yr old car with original paint is going to have some flaws, but.. those kinds of flaws are 'signs of character'.. *S*    sometimes the fixes for small blemishes can be worse than the blemish..  :)
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: sixt9x33rs on October 26, 2013, 05:30:46 PM
The polishing compound would be a good first try, and when you've achieved what you are after, then I'd wax it good to preserve what's left.  In fact, polishing the entire car and then waxing it well is what I'd do to preserve what you have...  A 44 yr old car with original paint is going to have some flaws, but.. those kinds of flaws are 'signs of character'.. *S*    sometimes the fixes for small blemishes can be worse than the blemish..  :)
This was my plan
1. Wash
2. Clay bar the entire car
3. Polish compound the car
4. Polish the car
5. Wax the car.
I read an article in MCR that suggested this five step process for older paint, but cautioned on the use of step number 3...it just depends on the paint I guess.
Title: Re: original paint 69 Z on ebay... "survivor"
Post by: 69Z28-RS on October 26, 2013, 05:44:35 PM
That's a perfect plan.. :)  and I totally agree on being 'easy and careful' with the compound step, given the softness and age of the acrylic lacquer used..    Good luck!..  and please don't do any unnecessary 'improvements' of the original aspects of the car..  :)