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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: ZLP955 on August 05, 2013, 10:16:14 AM
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I have a number of used '69 wiper motor assemblies and some have the part number 5045572 stamped on the end of the motor casing, and some have it on a silver foil sticker/label; the casing end just has Type E 12V on those with the label. The foil stickers are from later 69 production, judging by the julian date code on the stickers I have. The stamped casings don't appear to have a date code.
Would it be correct to think that motor assemblies changed over at some point from earlier motors having the assembly part number stamped, to later motors having it printed on a foil sticker, and if so, at what point in 69 production did the change occur? Was there a difference too between NOR and LOS/VN produced cars?
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I can only provide one data point for a data base.
My original 09C (*Sept 17, 1969) Z28 / RS has the silver pn sticker and date code on the wiper motor.
photo is attached. Sticker PN: 5045605, also has '227 9 6 A' printed on it.
'227 9 ' might be the Julian date and year (15 Aug '69), which would correspond well to my mid Sept built car, but that's just a guess on my part.
If you begin a data collection on this, I'd suggest collecting the car build date, RS or not, PN on the sticker, along with the other data, and maybe we can begin to make sense of the information? eg.
Car build date RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Other codes
09C Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
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Thanks Gary,
Yes, the date code (as I understand it) is:
Assembly Part #
Julian Date (Day)__Year__Factory Line__Shift Code
So in your case, the part # is for an RS wiper assembly * (mine, 5045572, is standard assembly for non-RS car).
Assembled 227th Day of 1969 on line # 6, 'A' shift (Day).
Just trying to determine if there was a changeover date, with a view to putting the correct one on my 04A car.
* (Before someone mentions it, I believe that a non-RS car could have had the #605 assembly if it had the headlamp washer option, but that was rare).
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Perhaps we can start off some data point collection, following on from Gary's chart?
If we can add the sticker details here, it may start to indicate a date range for sticker use....
Gary - I also added in column for final assembly plant.
Car build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Other codes
09C Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
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Updating the list with my assembly plant (NOR)...
Perhaps we can start off some data point collection, following on from Gary's chart?
If we can add the sticker details here, it may start to indicate a date range for sticker use....
Gary - I also added in column for final assembly plant.
Car build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Other codes
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
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Gary,
You might add another field to the features poll - I have a RS/5605 that it stamped, foil tagged and has a very faint yellow ink/paint stamp with the part number on the side of the case. Only one like it I have ever seen - I have 4 or 5 of them, but this is the only one with an original enough finish to show the rubber stamped part number. I'll try to get a pic of it during day light so it will show up -
Regards,
Steve
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Steve,
Add your data to the listing for all your motors, and add the additional column. easier now than when the list is larger *G*
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I have a RS/5605 that it stamped, foil tagged and has a very faint yellow ink/paint stamp with the part number on the side of the case.
Steve, it would be great if you can add your details to the list above; since your wiper motor has both a stamp and a sticker, it may be from around the time of the changeover - i.e. using up stocks of stamped casings at the same time the stickers were being added once the motors were assembled.
Cheers, Tim
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06A Nor SS nonRS sticker only 5045572 134 9 6 B
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Updating the Windshield Wiper Motor data list with CROB's info.. since he didn't do it himself.. :)
(and I noticed the Julian date code on his motor is about a month prior to car build date, and stickers were used as early as May)
Please add your information to the bottom of the chart and repost for the data point collection....
Car build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Other codes
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
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Car build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Other codes Ink or paint part #
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
01D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Yes - yellow
Z11 pacer
Regards,
Steve
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Steve, are you sure that wiper motor is original to the car, as a julian date of 079 and an 01D trim tag build date don't align? If the julian date on the motor assembly is model year, not calendar year, that doesn't seem to match well with the other data so far.....
The 'B F' at the end of the sticker throw the previous theory of factory line number and shift code a curve ball too....
Anyone have some ideas ???
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Steve, are you sure that wiper motor is original to the car, as a julian date of 079 and an 01D trim tag build date don't align? If the julian date on the motor assembly is model year, not calendar year, that doesn't seem to match well with the other data so far.....
The 'B F' at the end of the sticker throw the previous theory of factory line number and shift code a curve ball too....
Anyone have some ideas ???
Sign of over maturity - the inability to proof read posts. Never seen a Pace Car built in January ? I haven't either - in my struggle to copy and paste the table, I entered the wrong date code twice. It is an 03D car, my X77 in an 01C: somehow I married the two. I'll have to dig out the X77's motor - if I remember correctly (again, tough at my advanced age), it is a stamped car, no tag. We'll see -
Thanks for catching me sleeping -
Regards,
Steve
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Car build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Other codes Ink or paint part #
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
03D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Yes - yellow
Better -
Regards
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Is there a date code on the early one that don't have a sticker? I have a 12B RS that I can't see a date code.
Rick
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Check it and post all the codes you can find.. PN, and all others.. and whether it's stamped into the metal, paint/ink
stamped on, or ??
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The part # on mine is 5045605 and then stamped on the side is 4918976 2. That's all I can seem to find.
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build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Sticker codes Notes
?? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
03D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
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Mine is 06A, NOR, 5045572, 100 9 5 B.
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Copo, I've plugged in your data for you. You didn't say if it was an RS, but I assume NOT? and no stamped PN?
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build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Sticker codes Notes
03D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR 5045572 100 9 5 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
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OK I guess mine is: 12B, LOS, RS, No Sticker, PN-5045605, (Stamped on the side - 4918976 2)
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Windshield Wiper Motor PNs and markings including dates.
build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Sticker codes Notes
12B LOS Y No Sticker 5045605 No sticker stamped on the side - 4918976 2)
03D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR N 5045572 Y 100 9 5 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? ? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
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Ok thanks to everyone who provided data so far, and to Gary for keeping the table going; it looks like the stickers were around for mid-production timeframe, at least on NOR cars. 03D with a sticker date of 079 is the earliest so far.
Hopefully we can add to this as time goes on, and maybe even get some more LOS data too.
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Got another one to add to the list, this (being dated '034') is the earliest yet:
Windshield Wiper Motor PNs and markings including dates.
build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Sticker codes Notes
12B LOS Y No Sticker 5045605 No sticker stamped on the side - 4918976 2)
?? ?? N 5045572 Y 034 9 B E
03D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR N 5045572 Y 100 9 5 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? ? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
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You can add mine if needed
Build date NOR/LOS RS Sticker P/N Stamped P/N Sticker Code
03B NOR N 5045572 Y 053 9 6 A
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Thanks Darrell, I've added your data to the table:
Windshield Wiper Motor PNs and markings including dates.
build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Sticker codes Notes
12B LOS Y No Sticker 5045605 No sticker stamped on the side - 4918976 2
?? ?? N 5045572 Y 034 9 B E
03B NOR N 5045572 Y 053 9 6 A
03D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR N 5045572 Y 100 9 5 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? ? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
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Tim, here is my original wiper motor info. 07A X77D80 No part number stamped on the motor that I could find, sticker only
5045572
170 9 6 B
June 19th
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Thanks 6667ss138 (sorry if I missed your name somewhere?), I've also added your data to the table:
Windshield Wiper Motor PNs and markings including dates.
build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Sticker codes Notes
12B LOS Y No Sticker 5045605 No sticker stamped on the side - 4918976 2
?? ?? N 5045572 Y 034 9 B E
03B NOR N 5045572 Y 053 9 6 A
03D NOR Y 5045605 Y 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR N 5045572 Y 100 9 5 B
06A NOR N 5045572 N 134 9 6 B
07A NOR N 5045572 N 170 9 6 B
09C NOR Y 5045605 N 227 9 6 A
?? ? N 5045572 N 282 9 6 B
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06A Nor SS nonRS sticker only 5045572 134 9 6 B
Tim, armed with new information my 06A would more than likely have been an 06C
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Mine is;
build date NOR/LOS RS? sticker PN? Stamped PN? Sticker codes Notes
11D NOR Y No Sticker 5045605 No Sticker
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Mine is 10D build LOS car, its an RS with 5045608 Stamped number, no sticker. RS solenoid is dated 10-28-68
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its an RS with 5045608 Stamped number
typo?
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No typo. here is a pic of it, best one I have.
(http://www.carsbyjim.com/storage/UnderHood/69RSmotor1.jpg)
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That's interesting... first one we've had reported that didn't adhere to a consistent pattern, but yours is also the 'earliest' one reported to date. We need some more early '69 RS WS wiper motor numbers to be reported to see when that PN might have changed.. Did you notice any other inconsistencies or differences with your unit over later units?
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I honestly never gave much attention to the wiper motor setup at all. So I cant offer any more info. on that. It appears to be the original unit but as you well know, nothing is 100% on these old cars but the dirt, overspray etc. all appeared similar all around the firewall.
If it makes any difference, which I doubt, its an LM1 car too. 350/255, single exhaust, several options like am/fm flip face radio with single speaker in dash, fold down rear seat, power front disc brakes, a/c , vinyl top. Kurt, Mark and several others know my old car, current owner is looking to put in an LS1 over the winter. :)
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Been a while since I reviewed this thread, but was contacted by a member who suggested that maybe the changeover from stamped number to foil sticker is connected with the manufacturing plant that the wiper motor assemblies came from.
I hadn't spotted this before, but the motor casings appear to have 2 different stampings after the 'DELCO PRODUCTS':
Either 'DAYTON OHIO, USA' or 'ROCHESTER, N.Y. USA'
From the limited data points in the last updated table, it's impossible to identify when the stickers were actually introduced, but it would appear that there was a transition during the model year, possibly something like this:
Stamped P/N only (early)---------Stamped P/N and Sticker (mid)------------Sticker only (late)
Wonder if wiper motor production was switched from Dayton to Rochester during production, or if both manufactured motor assemblies throughout?
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OK.. I took a whack at changing this table to make it more clear, and added 'Dayton note' for my own..
Windshield Wiper Motor PNs and markings including dates.
build NOR RS? sticker Stamped Sticker (Notes)
date LOS Not? PN? PN? codes
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10D LOS RS none 5045608 (RS solenoid dtd 10-28-68)
11D NOR RS none 5045605
12B LOS RS none 5045605 (stamped - 4918976 2_
?? NOR Not none 5045572 034 9 B E
03B NOR Not 5045572 none 053 9 6 A
03D NOR RS 5045605 none 079 9 B F (Part # in yellow paint)
06A NOR Not none 5045572 100 9 5 B
06A NOR Not none 5045572 134 9 6 B
07A NOR Not none 5045572 170 9 6 B
09C NOR RS 5045605 none 227 9 6 A (Delco, Dayton)
?? NOR Not 5045572 none 282 9 6 B
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My all-original 02D non-RS '69 has the mylar sticker with the part number, and the motor is stamped Delco Products.
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John,
Can you read the numbers on that sticker? (I'd like to add all the numbers on the sticker to the table)...
( I tried to glean the numbers from your photo, but wasn't able to do so)..
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you just looking for 69's ?
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you just looking for 69's ?
68's arent cool enough for some of these guys.. ;D
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you just looking for 69's ?
68's arent cool enough for some of these guys.. ;D
Did they make a 68? ;D ;D ;D
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No typo. here is a pic of it, best one I have.
(http://www.carsbyjim.com/storage/UnderHood/69RSmotor1.jpg)
Ahh - the dreaded fracture and loss of the hose bib and lower end of the valve body - seen many of them this way. Buy the lower piece from Impala Bob's and put 'er back together - at least he used to sell the lower half, with a new needle, to those of us with incomplete valves. Worth a shot, because finding an intact original is like buying a ton of unobtanium. Just my opinion -
Regards -
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you just looking for 69's ?
68's arent cool enough for some of these guys.. ;D
Did they make a 68? ;D ;D ;D
Best flowing heads of the 3 years ( 302's) per a very reliable source. To the thread: if you need 68 #'s let me know, looks like a 69 post.
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you just looking for 69's ?
Jano, it appeared that sometime during 1969, the wipers went from a 'stamped' PN, to a sticker with PN and mfg dates on it.. that was basically what we were trying to glean from the data. If you have a '68 with a stamped PN, that is as we expect, if you have a '68 with a 'stickered PN', then we'd like to see it and modify our table appropriately.
we were also confirming the two PN's (between RS and non RS wipers)...
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stamped ,as you know ( don't have to pull the part out of storage for this one ,LOL) side note...car's never been in the rain or snow( at least since 76 ,and reported prior...it was always a toy) Honestly I don't know if the wipers work because I've never seen them operated ! It'll get a bench test before reassembly.
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you just looking for 69's ?
Yup, as far as I know, the 68's all used a stamped part number, 5045441 for non-RS (and I don't recall the RS version part number off the top of my head). Am not aware of a date code on them, although I have seen some ink-stamped numbers on certain motor casings; maybe the next member research effort?
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My all-original 02D non-RS '69 has the mylar sticker with the part number, and the motor is stamped Delco Products.
John, looks like yours is stamped from Rochester NY, not Dayton OH; if you could confirm the assembly date code on the sticker, that'd be a solid data point, as your car is so original.
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you just looking for 69's ?
Yup, as far as I know, the 68's all used a stamped part number, 5045441 for non-RS (and I don't recall the RS version part number off the top of my head). Am not aware of a date code on them, although I have seen some ink-stamped numbers on certain motor casings; maybe the next member research effort?
The early ones I've looked at had yellow ink stampings with the Julian day and year but yes a different project! :)
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Thanks Chick!
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John, looks like yours is stamped from Rochester NY, not Dayton OH; if you could confirm the assembly date code on the sticker, that'd be a solid data point, as your car is so original.
The sticker says "5045572 036 9 B F" (that's February 5th, car was built February 27th).
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I'm only trying to add JohnZ's data, but having mucho trouble with the table formatting.. Could someone who knows how to do this in the cRG s/w please correct it? :)
build NOR RS? sticker Stamped Sticker (Notes)
date LOS Not? PN? PN? codes
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10D LOS RS 5045608 RS solenoid dtd 10-28-68
11D NOR RS 5045605
12B LOS RS 5045605 stamped - 4918976 2
?? NOR non RS 5045572 034 9 B E
02D NOR non RS 5045572 036 9 B F Rochester
03B NOR non RS 5045572 053 9 6 A
03D NOR RS 5045605 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR non RS 5045572 100 9 5 B
06A NOR non RS 5045572 134 9 6 B
07A NOR non RS 5045572 170 9 6 B
09C NOR RS 5045605 227 9 6 A Dayton
?? NOR non RS 5045572 282 9 6 B
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I'm only trying to add JohnZ's data, but having mucho trouble with the table formatting.. Could someone who knows how to do this in the cRG s/w please correct it? :)
build NOR RS? sticker Stamped Sticker (Notes)
date LOS Not? PN? PN? codes
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10D LOS RS 5045608 RS solenoid dtd 10-28-68
11D NOR RS 5045605
12B LOS RS 5045605 stamped - 4918976 2
?? NOR non RS 5045572 034 9 B E
02D NOR non RS 5045572 036 9 B F Rochester
03B NOR non RS 5045572 053 9 6 A
03D NOR RS 5045605 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR non RS 5045572 100 9 5 B
06A NOR non RS 5045572 134 9 6 B
07A NOR non RS 5045572 170 9 6 B
09C NOR RS 5045605 227 9 6 A Dayton
??? NOR non RS 5045572 282 9 6 B
I tried -
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Steve, you did better aligning the values than I did, but some of the PNs were *stamped* in the metal as opposed to printed on a sticker. I've got it organized in WORD, as well as EXCEL, but I can't figure out how to 'paste' it into a reply here on CRG.... ???
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I'm only trying to add JohnZ's data, but having mucho trouble with the table formatting.. Could someone who knows how to do this in the cRG s/w please correct it? :)
build NOR RS? sticker Stamped Sticker (Notes)
date LOS Not? PN? PN? codes
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10D LOS RS 5045608 RS solenoid dtd 10-28-68
11D NOR RS 5045605
12B LOS RS 5045605 stamped - 4918976 2
?? NOR non RS 5045572 034 9 B E
02D NOR non RS 5045572 036 9 B F Rochester
03B NOR non RS 5045572 053 9 6 A
03D NOR RS 5045605 079 9 B F Part # in yellow paint
06A NOR non RS 5045572 100 9 5 B
06A NOR non RS 5045572 134 9 6 B
07A NOR non RS 5045572 170 9 6 B
09C NOR RS 5045605 227 9 6 A Dayton
??? NOR non RS 5045572 282 9 6 B
I tried - again
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^ Thanks to Steve and Gary for updating the table - I had the same issues previously, seemed to be trial and error as it often looked different between the editing screen (aligned well) and when posted (jumbled up).......
Darrell kindly put it into a spreadsheet, but unless the spreadsheet can be posted here, we'd have to rely on him, or someone with a copy, updating it and posting a screen grab of it.
I'll look into how to create tables in HTML code.
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Toss the spreadsheet on Google Drive.
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Not familiar with that Kurt but will check it out - thanks!
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You old farts. It's called the cloud. :)
Spreadsheet is now here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13qjSpOJteeJnWsQ5tO6sepTRyMEs2f7qH3gmWRxpbHE/edit?usp=sharing
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We were actually TRYING to SHOW the spreadsheet data HERE, Kurt... :) not drop a link for everyone to find.. :)
oh.. and aren't you an 'old fart' too? :)
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I'm done.
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Kurt, thank you for uploading the spreadsheet; I will do my best to update it whenever I can (subject to new data points provided by members here). I guess a screenshot would allow others to see the data easily, so I can do that too. Obviously anyone else who wants to help can do updates too.
Perhaps to refresh the original question, maybe we could try and home in on further data points in the apparent gap in the (very limited) dates so far; it looks as though the stickers were introduced between 12B and some time around 02D. Maybe it's as simple as 01A, with a sticker Julian date code of '001'.
If anyone has an original wiper motor on a car assembled between 12B and 02D, that data would be very helpful!
As for the part number that Jim posted (5045608) I am kicking myself because I saw a car for sale on eBay that had the exact same number on it's wiper motor. I was in a hurry so I added the listing to my watched items for later, but somehow seem to have deleted it....... As far as I can recall, it wasn't a Chevrolet model, but a Pontiac - although of course it may not have been OE for that make or model.
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I'm done.
<iframe src="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13qjSpOJteeJnWsQ5tO6sepTRyMEs2f7qH3gmWRxpbHE/pubhtml?widget=true&headers=false" width="650" height="550"></iframe>
Thanks Kurt!! :) Was posting the table as simple as taking a 'screenshot' image and posting that? If I'd known that was how, I could have done it.. everything I tried didn't work.. :)
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You could have posted a screen shot.
I posted that actual table. Any updates will appear on the table - it's live and updateable.
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You could have posted a screen shot.
I posted that actual table. Any updates will appear on the table - it's live and updateable.
Fantastic..! :) no wonder you're the honcho here... :)
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Figured I bring up an old thread.. Does anyone out there besides myself and Chick that has a 68 that still has the ink stamp on it? I discovered mine today but there is a portion I can not make out..
All I can see is 45 68..
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_3769_zps9sj4gnli.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_3769_zps9sj4gnli.jpg.html)
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s649/cook_dw/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_3766_zpscygkcnpo.jpg) (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/cook_dw/media/1968%20Rallye%20Green%20L78%20Camaro/IMG_3766_zpscygkcnpo.jpg.html)
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I have a question related to the wiper motors, so I guess it's OK to post here? I have a 69 Rally Sport, but the head lamp washer solenoid is missing. Shouldn't there be an electrical plug in still there somewhere to operate the solenoid? Does it come from the wiper unit, or is it a separate part of the wiring harness?
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There was a special pigtail wiring from the washer terminals to the soleniod. Ricks has them repro, part #33-180005-1
http://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-headlight-washer-pump-wiring-harness-rally-sport-rs-1969.html
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I have a question related to the wiper motors, so I guess it's OK to post here? I have a 69 Rally Sport, but the head lamp washer solenoid is missing. Shouldn't there be an electrical plug in still there somewhere to operate the solenoid? Does it come from the wiper unit, or is it a separate part of the wiring harness?
The supply wires piggyback from the wiper motor terminals themselves - easy hookup -
Assembly manual is fairly vague for the CE3 installation -
Regards,
Steve
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06A Nor SS nonRS sticker only 5045572 134 9 6 B
Tim, armed with new information my 06A would more than likely have been an 06C
Rochester NY
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I noticed that the data on page 3 does not match the data on page 4...
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Don't know if there's a newer thread than this but....My car is a Pace Car (RS) Built 03B. Wiper Motor has 5045605 stamped on front and has a silver tag 5045605 037 9 B F Rochester Plant
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Older thread - have a few questions and adding my wiper motor data -
Question - For LOS cars, if the wiper motor is stamped with a PN, does that imply it did not get a sticker?
From the very limited data set, this appears to be the case. I found no evidence of sticker when I removed the wiper motor back in the day.
Data from my car:
Build Week: LOS/NOR: RS/NonRS Sticker PN Stamp PN Sticker Codes Wiper Motor Plant Other
04B LOS RS - 5045605 - Rochester See Solenoid PIC Below for codes
Washer Pump:
<a href="https://app.photobucket.com/u/jwlittooy/a/9fc3c05d-1e86-4845-82cf-1d16732c0e05/p/a7179038-67f4-4132-9c8f-8c40d1052f6a?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds" target="_blank">(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/t478/jwlittooy/Camaro%20Components/Wiper%20Motor%20Restoration/RSWasherPump4_zps95238ca5.jpg?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds)[/url]
Wiper Motor:
<a href="https://app.photobucket.com/u/jwlittooy/a/aa505d10-0ec5-4419-969e-f4b240264f62/p/9624f764-e1bb-4410-90e4-28458f843e1b?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds" target="_blank">(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/t478/jwlittooy/IMG_2545.jpg?width=590&height=370&fit=bounds)[/url]
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While not a 69, I got my “new” original and all parts working with the Julian date on it. -Thanks to Pace Car Jeff.