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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: llskis on June 03, 2013, 01:00:43 PM

Title: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: llskis on June 03, 2013, 01:00:43 PM
We all know the early Camaro's used lacquer paint and the newer ones use enamel. Does
anybody know what was the year of the changeover? Larry
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: 69Z28-RS on June 03, 2013, 01:26:15 PM
In 1977 model year, Chevrolet still used lacquer; by 1981 my, they'd switched to enamels ( I suspect? the Corvette was the last model to change, which happened June of 1981 when Corvette production was moved to Bowling Green from St Louis)....  that's as close as I can narrow it down to...
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: Mark on June 03, 2013, 05:11:56 PM
In 78 GM started the transition to water borne paint (which was the death knell for the Framingham Ma plant)  I remember looking at a 78 T/A and it had some of the worst orange peel paint that I had ever seen on a production car.
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: JohnZ on June 03, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
We all know the early Camaro's used lacquer paint and the newer ones use enamel. Does
anybody know what was the year of the changeover? Larry

The Norwood paint shop was modernized and converted from acrylic lacquer to basecoat/clearcoat for the new 1982 3rd-generation car.
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: z28z11 on June 04, 2013, 02:24:32 AM
The Norwood paint shop was modernized and converted from acrylic lacquer to basecoat/clearcoat for the new 1982 3rd-generation car.

Which by the time I purchased my '85 Z new, had become the nearest next-to-nothing paint film thickness known to man. I traded the car off with 19K miles on it in '87, maintained extemely well, and the paint was already coming off the hood. Film thickness had to be in microns, and very few of them at that. Loved the old underpowered black Z, though - still have the build sheet around here somewhere.

Sorry to digress, but I also liked my '69's lacquer a lot more, especially in LeMans Blue.

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: festival on June 04, 2013, 02:46:03 AM
Norwood started out with Turbo Bells and Hi-Solids enamel in 1982 which was modified to BC/CC.    When it came on line in late 1981 it was the best paint system in the industry.  The Norwood Facility was toured by Benz and Toyota and others - because of the paint shop.   

Due to environmental restrictions in California- the LOS built cars were stuck with an inferior water based paint shop and system.     
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: HOGDADDY on June 08, 2013, 11:04:47 PM
FWIW I have a Norwood 1980 Camaro that I bought new and it still sports the original lacquer paint.
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: festival on June 08, 2013, 11:17:42 PM
 HogDaddy... You should consider meeting the men who built your car.   We are actively looking for original paint cars for the 2013 Norwood Reunion in July.
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: 69Z28-RS on June 09, 2013, 12:51:43 AM
For those of us who don't know about a 'Norwood Reunion', can you elaborate?   My '69 hugger orange/black Z28/RS also has the original 'Fisher' paint, although some parts of the Norwood Assembly Paint (front clip) have been resprayed.
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: festival on June 09, 2013, 02:35:26 AM
Sure!

Info on last years event here:  http://camaropacecars.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6211035326/m/8471083536

Info in this years event here: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/522265/2013_Norwood_Assembly_Plant_Re#Post522265
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: 68camaroz28 on June 09, 2013, 02:48:35 AM
In 78 GM started the transition to water borne paint (which was the death knell for the Framingham Ma plant)  I remember looking at a 78 T/A and it had some of the worst orange peel paint that I had ever seen on a production car.
Wow, I had no idea GM was working with water borne paints in production 35 years ago. We were switching to water borne paint 7 years ago and one of the negatives with its use was orange peel.
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: festival on June 09, 2013, 10:46:39 PM
Oh yes.. the EPA was cracking down on the older plants over lacquer and plant emissions.  Orange peel was only one problem- the early WBP technology did not hold up well as a finish either.
Title: Re: Lacquer Vs. Enamel for the Camaro
Post by: Sauron327 on June 10, 2013, 12:47:02 AM
Wow, I had no idea GM was working with water borne paints in production 35 years ago. We were switching to water borne paint 7 years ago and one of the negatives with its use was orange peel.
How so? Only the base is waterborne which lays down flat, the clear is still solvent. Waterborne clears are still experimental. Nobody I know who uses waterborne today dislikes it.