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Model Specific Discussions => Trans-Am Camaros => Topic started by: Jon Mello on May 04, 2013, 10:30:19 PM
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Beginning in the 1968 racing season, the Camaro was homologated (passed the criteria for acceptance) with the SCCA to be able
to use a 4-wheel disc brake package in Trans-Am and A-Sedan events. This brake equipment was adapted primarily from already
existing Corvette brake components. The calipers were the cast iron Delco-Moraine Corvette units and these were the heavier duty
J56 pieces that had 3/4" thick heat insulators on the brake pistons and that used two cotter pins to retain the brake pads rather
than the single pin in the middle. The top of the caliper was milled down to remove the single pin boss because it interfered with
the top of the flanged brake pads and was unnecessary. The inner half of the front calipers had a single brake hose inlet boss where
Corvettes (typically) had two bosses. Here are some of the rare front calipers from Robert Lodewyk's collection.
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Another photo of Robert's calipers.
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Closer view from the top.
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A look at the 3/4" thick J56 brake pistons outside the bore of the caliper. (Jon Mello Collection)
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A view of the insulator removed from the metal part of the piston. (Jon Mello Collection)
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A comparison of the '66 and early '67 Corvette J56 piston with its 3/16" insulator in comparison with the part that superceded it. (Robert Lodewyk photo)
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The piston bores in the Camaro and Corvette calipers are the same size They both use a 1-7/8" (1.875") piston.
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Here's an NOS set of Delco J56 heavy duty brake pads. The full set of four is part number 5468882, while apparently each individual
pad is labeled as part number 5468883. The set includes the four necessary cotter pins in an envelope, p/n 5474322 and an instruction
sheet indicating how to precondition them for the best braking performance. The backing plates on these pads are made with Inconel,
an expensive, high-temp alloy that was more resistant to warpage when they got hot, unlike steel. Inconel is a non-magnetic material.
The thickness from the back of the backing plate to the front surface of an NOS brake pad is 1/2" (.500"). (Jon Mello Collection)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/J56brakepadandbox_zps0809b60a.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/J56brakepadandbox_zps0809b60a.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/J56brakepadandbox2_zpsd916cd0e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/J56brakepadandbox2_zpsd916cd0e.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/J56brakepad_zps8a5f761f.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/J56brakepad_zps8a5f761f.jpg.html)
The cotter pins are around 4" long and are 1/8" (.0125") in diameter.
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/J56brakepartpins_zpse756446c.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/J56brakepartpins_zpse756446c.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/J56brakepartpin_zps7cd6d5e2.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/J56brakepartpin_zps7cd6d5e2.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/J56brakepartpin2_zps69ff4294.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/J56brakepartpin2_zps69ff4294.jpg.html)
Instruction sheet p/n 5474920
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/J56brakepadinstructions_zps0e9c7f81.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/J56brakepadinstructions_zps0e9c7f81.jpg.html)
Warning: Preconditioning of this material is necessary to
obtain maximum effectiveness. After relining the brakes,
drive the car for approximately 1/2 mile at 1/2 throttle
with the brakes held on enough to maintain a car speed
of 15 to 20 MPH.
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Wow, very cool!
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Attached are pictures of an NOS right front JL8 / J56 racing brake caliper with the brake pads and cotter pins installed. The Camaro-specific inner caliper half for the passenger
side is part number 5469588 and the corresponding one for the driver's side is part number 5469589. The outer caliper halves are taken from Corvette. It should be noted that
there are some collectors of these brake pieces that feel that if there is an X anywhere in the casting number, example X5469589X, then the part is not an authentic, original
JL8 / J56 component. I personally do not agree with this line of thinking but to each his own. I can tell you that if you are looking to buy these components individually, or
complete, you can expect to pay more money for those pieces that do not have an X. (Jon Mello Collection)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/RFcaliper1_zps2ed6f76e.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/RFcaliper1_zps2ed6f76e.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/RFcaliper2_zps83344fee.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/RFcaliper2_zps83344fee.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/RFcaliper3_zps38d5af6b.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/RFcaliper3_zps38d5af6b.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/RFcaliper4_zps92e7ce42.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/RFcaliper4_zps92e7ce42.jpg.html)
(http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/RFcaliper5_zps87039d3b.jpg) (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/RFcaliper5_zps87039d3b.jpg.html)
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Jon,
I'm not familiar with 'X' on brake calipers, but occasionally we see heads (particularly Corvette heads from the fifties/sixties), that have a big X on them; what I've heard speculated is that those are early castings.... maybe a first run to check out the molds?? I'd be interested to hear yours and JohnZ's input on that...
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I sent John an message about this so we'll see what he has to say. It's a bit funny/ironic that the 461X cylinder heads are more desirable than those without the X and the reverse is true with these caliper castings but I think the 461X heads have better ports (if I remember correctly).
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I sent John an message about this so we'll see what he has to say. It's a bit funny/ironic that the 461X cylinder heads are more desirable than those without the X and the reverse is true with these caliper castings but I think the 461X heads have better ports (if I remember correctly).
There is some evidence to suggest that an "X" added to a GM casting number indicates the first production pour with a minor pattern or process change at the foundry to let the customer (who machined the casting) know that a minor change has been incorporated in the casting, but I haven't been able to document it. Functionally, it's irrelevant and shouldn't affect the casting's price.
The 461X cylinder head is a different issue - those "X" heads had 10cc larger intake ports than the "non-X" 461's, and were prized by racers in classes where they had to run unmodified (no grinding, no porting) stock heads.
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Not sure if this is relevant or correct here, but thought this may be of interest someday.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-69-Z28-JL8-parking-brakes-3945186-SCCA-A-S-trans-am-new-take-offs-67-68/332648966183?hash=item4d736c6827:g:hbAAAOSwhI1a9bkB
Camaro 1969 JL8 / j56 parking brakes, the modified backing plates/dust shields according to a very well known JL8 expert are factory for a service package rear end and are part of GM #3945186, they have the correct and original top Z shaped springs that goes from the bottom of one side to the top on the other side (according the the JL8 expert the repo top springs do not do this) this came from a JL8 service package rear end purchased from Chevrolet "over the counter" as a spare for an SCCA A/S-trans am Camaro raced since day one, the parts are new take offs, I am selling them as used because they came off an existing rear end.
Pictures are as big as ebay offered.
I asked the seller to email me pictures.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hbAAAOSwhI1a9bkB/s-l500.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kQYAAOSwJ4Va9bkM/s-l500.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/tb4AAOSwrY9a9bkb/s-l500.jpg)
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Are these any part of the disk brake package that was added or is this what was removed?
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Thanks, Nick. These are what was removed from a 4-wheel disc service package rear axle assembly. A road racer would not have had a need or desire for a parking brake system.
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I can edit/delete my post, it was not exactly as relevant as I intended. Sorry bout that Jon. :-[
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Picked this caliper up earlier today... (with the Pyroceram insulators)
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Did you just stumble upon this in the wild, or were you huntin this down? I'm just curious.
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Stumbled upon it at a swap meet at Atlanta Dragway in Commerce Georgia...
same place I found a pair of 2 bar no lock knockoffs...
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WOW those are insane finds from the wild! Beautiful caps.
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The caps were drug to Atlanta all the way from Australia...
The guy said he picked them up with some vintage FORD parts in the 1980's... they are beautiful compared to the foreign repros, they have only been hit once or twice on putting them on and there is not a mark on the taper at all.
There likely was no one in the place who would have known what the pyroceram insulators were, HONESTLY if not for this forum I wouldn't have known. After talking to him I asked about the other caliper, he traded in on a rebuilt set, he had misplaced this caliper which is why is didn't get sent in.. although he said he still had the 4.11 rear out of the car... caliper to caliper.
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That would be a nice rear end to have, no pun intended. LOL