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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: 69Z28 on April 18, 2013, 07:31:53 PM
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Anybody know how to tell the difference between a GM front license plate bracket and a reproduction? I have a chance to buy a GM bracket but seller can't say for sure if GM. There is AAC stamped on it.
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Is the AAC stamp only for 69? I can check my 67 when I get home.
Where is it stamped?
Mike
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Mike.
Not sure on the other years. There is one on ebay for 69 with the old school part number sticker and the plate has AAC stamped in it. Looks to be on the front side.
Is the AAC stamp only for 69? I can check my 67 when I get home.
Where is it stamped?
Mike
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Is the AAC stamp only for 69?
Mike
Nope, '68 license plate brackets are stamped "AAC" too.
Paul
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Is the AAC stamp only for 69?
Mike
Nope, '68 license plate brackets are stamped "AAC" too.
Paul
AAC (mfg. stamping) was stamped on several parts so when you see that it is a GOOOOOOOD sign. :)
Another quick example where the ACC is stamped is on the 68/69 Z/28 power booster vac. hose bracket.
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That's good to know Chick. Now I have to go look for a booster hose bracket and loose the reproduction one I have. Never ending details.
Is the AAC stamp only for 69?
Mike
Nope, '68 license plate brackets are stamped "AAC" too.
Paul
AAC (mfg. stamping) was stamped on several parts so when you see that it is a GOOOOOOOD sign. :)
Another quick example where the ACC is stamped is on the 68/69 Z/28 power booster vac. hose bracket.
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Now I have to go look for a booster hose bracket and loose the reproduction one I have. Never ending details.
Gary,
Coast to Coast Camaro has one if you want to spend $125.00!
http://www.coast2camaro.com/parts.aspx?cid=42
Paul
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Just when you think you know all of your cars birthmarks....I'm glad this thread started!
The one on eBay looks very different (if it's the one being sold by 396-325). But if that is what '69 looks like then that explains it.
I looked at my original 67 and a NOS one I bought around 1982 and they both have AAc stamped.
The original 67 stamp is on the middle back and the NOS is on the front lower right (facing the bracket).
As a side note, the original was flow coated with a few large drip marks.
Notice how the 'c' is smaller than 'AA'. The 69 fonts on eBay look the same.
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Now I have to go look for a booster hose bracket and loose the reproduction one I have. Never ending details.
Gary,
Coast to Coast Camaro has one if you want to spend $125.00!
http://www.coast2camaro.com/parts.aspx?cid=42
Paul
They are not too often on ebay but have seen them and they normally bring high $$. The $125 is correct for what I have seen sell and a few for higher than that.
Quick story from last Saturday: Was at a car flea market Saturday and a guy had one with some other junk brackets. Asked him how much and he said $5 bucks. Needless to say I bought it! It had a crack at the top but easily fixed and then coated. Sold it to a good friend for what I paid for it who has a 69Z minus that bracket. Well not anymore!
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I bought a front license plate bracket from member Dannystarr. He says it has the AAC on it but neither one of us was for sure if original GM. Thats why my post. Danny though maybe JohnZ would let us know for sure. I'll let ya'll know when I get it what's on it.
I was going to bid on that one on ebay, it only went to $26.01, but Dannys seemed more authentic.
The brake booster bracket, $125.00, that's expensive. I wonder if it was used on any other vehicles besides the Z28. Ever notice how high prices are for Z28 parts? Man, these people are holding these parts hostage and asking ransom type money like we're all zillionaires.
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.... I wonder if it was used on any other vehicles besides the Z28. Ever notice how high prices are for Z28 parts? Man, these people are holding these parts hostage and asking ransom type money like we're all zillionaires.
.. and there are a TON of parts 'misrepresented' to be '69 Z28' parts... on ebay. Let the Buyer Beware!! If you do a search for '69 Z28 original used parts'.. you get parts for Fords, GM back to 1928, etc.. :) *Everyone puts '69 Z28' in as one of their keywords, regardless of what the part is for...
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My 67 says AAc on the lower left front. Is there a way to post pics from my I phone on the site? I find markings and letters on my car and think it is original parts but not sure. I think my front license plate screws are original also.
ICL
Richard
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When I joined ebay in 1999 it was really easy to find what you wanted to a specific vehicle. Now it seems there is so much trash stuff it takes hours to weed through it all. 1969 Camaro or 69 Camaro is all anyone would need to put in search and that was that. Heck, there are probably more auctions for the little gas and oil signs than anything else. I hate it. Ebay needs more filtering.
.... I wonder if it was used on any other vehicles besides the Z28. Ever notice how high prices are for Z28 parts? Man, these people are holding these parts hostage and asking ransom type money like we're all zillionaires.
.. and there are a TON of parts 'misrepresented' to be '69 Z28' parts... on ebay. Let the Buyer Beware!! If you do a search for '69 Z28 original used parts'.. you get parts for Fords, GM back to 1928, etc.. :) *Everyone puts '69 Z28' in as one of their keywords, regardless of what the part is for...
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The brake booster bracket, $125.00, that's expensive. I wonder if it was used on any other vehicles besides the Z28. Ever notice how high prices are for Z28 parts? Man, these people are holding these parts hostage and asking ransom type money like we're all zillionaires.
As far as I know that bracket was only used on 68/69 Z/28 set ups as the small block cast iron intake used a different set up. Agree about the Z/28 stuff but some things are unique and when they are they often bring a preminum price tag.
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I bought a front license plate bracket from member Dannystarr. He says it has the AAC on it but neither one of us was for sure if original GM. Thats why my post. ................
Gary,
Do you think it was a reproduction font stamping? The stamping looked the same as the ones I posted.
Mike
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I'll have to wait until I get the plate before I can answer that, I haven't got it yet. I have a reproduction on my car now, so I can check it to see if there are any stampings on it.
I bought a front license plate bracket from member Dannystarr. He says it has the AAC on it but neither one of us was for sure if original GM. Thats why my post. ................
Gary,
Do you think it was a reproduction font stamping? The stamping looked the same as the ones I posted.
Mike
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I have a spare original 69 license plate bracket.(not perfect but original) I can check for stamping but won't be home till Sun evening. I will also check the original on my car.
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Just pulled my bracket off to check. It does have the AAc stamping. (Very small fonts) The pictures not that great but gives you the general area.
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Those are good pics. I can at least compare the reproduction one I have against the one I'm getting from Dannystarr. I'm thinking there won't really be that much difference between the two except maybe for the AAc stamping.
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Gary,
Two comparisons - first is my original bracket from my '69 Z (on the car since I got it in '73), and the NOS one I bought in the '80's. Stampings are within a couple of millimeters of the same spot - pretty good indication they were by the same manufacturer.
A pleasant surprise - my original (appearing!) license plate screws are still in place. This piece was on the car last in '80 -
Regards,
Steve
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Last pics are of screws and overall appearance -
Just wish I had bought multiples of everything I started getting from GM starting in 1980 - that's when I figured out what the X77 on the cowl tag meant, and found out how to get the original documentation. As years went by, I managed to accumulate a lot of NOS parts, but I only had 1 car up until 1992, and then only '69's until 2011 when I added the lonely '68 Z (by selling an LS5 '70 Chevelle).
You live and learn, constant process. That's also why a geez like me likes the site -
Regards,
Steve
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Thanks Steve. Looking at the screws I wonder if that style was used exclusively or was there more than one style. The big head screw I see most of the time, the little head with washer like in your pic not so much.
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Gary,
Good question - I've seen the same thing. I need to dig up my rear bracket and see if the screws are still in it; at least that would give another clue if they do match. I'll let you know if they do.
Regards,
Steve
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My 67 plate screws look like the ones z28z11 posted.
Richard
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I checked the rear bracket today - large head screws still in the plate, patina like the fronts, obviously where I left them in '80 when I disassembled the car. No AAc stamping on that bracket, just the GM part number that I could see in the middle of the part. So much for the matching screws theory I had -
Steve
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I was thinking maybe those screws were dealer installed. I really can't say if the factory installed them. That's something else to think about too I suppose.
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My front bracket for my '67 has the AAc on it, but the original screws I think are long gone.
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I was thinking maybe those screws were dealer installed. I really can't say if the factory installed them. That's something else to think about too I suppose.
The factory provided the screws (paper envelope license plate attaching unit, placed in the glove box), and the dealer prep guy installed them with the plate(s).
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Great information. I wasn't old enough yet to buy my first new car and wouldn't know about the hardware in the glovebox, but I was old enough to know that when I saw my first 69 Z28 the summer of 69 I was hooked. Bought my first one used in 1975 for $1200.00
I was thinking maybe those screws were dealer installed. I really can't say if the factory installed them. That's something else to think about too I suppose.
The factory provided the screws (paper envelope license plate attaching unit, placed in the glove box), and the dealer prep guy installed them with the plate(s).
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As far as I know , these are my two original front license plate to bracket screws. 1968, 07C car.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-as1J2sYb6ys/UXWH6fb7IuI/AAAAAAAAAYU/aL87KtBZDiE/s640/IMG_0250.JPG)
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Jerry.
I've seen those more often then the others in post #20 when I was stripping 66 to 72 GM cars for a friend of mine at his body shop.
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Original screws
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Is it likely that GM used more than one supplier for these brackets, especially for LA cars? I have a NOS front bracket with the GM stickers and AAc, but the rear bracket (def. original to the car) has the GM part # stamped on it, but no AAC...... I saw the eBay auction that people have referred to, and I went out in the dark with a flashlight to check my brackets... no AAc on the rear though :(
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My ft tag bracket was taken off my car when I purchased the car in 1976 or so (Alabama only requires rear tag), but it still has the plastic inserts, original screws, and even the rubber bumper in it, as well as pretty heavy paint. I could not see any AAC or any other stamping in it, but maybe if it were stripped I could? Attached is a photo of one of the screws and the plastic insert.
I also checked my Rear tag bracket (never removed from the car and even with the original seller's tag surround - Joe V Clayton- Arab AL). No AAc on the rear tag bracket (that I could see), but there was a GM pn 3913608 on the backside. The tag attachment screws appear the same as the ones in front bracket. photos attached.
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So the big headed screws are fine to use. Gary, I bet the paint is covering your stamping really well if you said the paint was on it thick.
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Gary,
Do you have a side view of the screws to see how thick the head is?
Mike
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Hey, just an FYI... The bracket I am selling has that same font. It's got the 2 capital A's, and the lower case baby c. So AAc... Now if I can get the time to get it packed and shipped... :-\ ... Danny
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Danny...you haven't sent it yet? Come on man...lets be gettin on the ball. Just kidding dude. Just throw it in a Priority box and let it go.
Hey, just an FYI... The bracket I am selling has that same font. It's got the 2 capital A's, and the lower case baby c. So AAc... Now if I can get the time to get it packed and shipped... :-\ ... Danny
Hey, just an FYI... The bracket I am selling has that same font. It's got the 2 capital A's, and the lower case baby c. So AAc... Now if I can get the time to get it packed and shipped... :-\ ... Danny
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Gary,
Do you have a side view of the screws to see how thick the head is?
Mike
I can make a photo pretty easily.. later this afternoon... right now I'm fighting with putting my original rosewood wheel on a restored tilt column.. and making the horn work.... :(
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I removed one of the tag screws to make dimensional photos (attached). Screw appears to have a 1/2" diameter head, approx. 1/8" thick. Screw is approx. 5/8" long.
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Hey Alabama,
You should take one of the screws from the front bracket your not using and use it in the empty hole of the rear license plate bracket !!! :)
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*L*.. Yeah, I thought about that today when I noticed one missing... :)
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Thanks for posting those pictures, Gary. Looks like I have the correct screws on my 67 :D
Mike
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Hey guys I got the front license plate bracket in today. It has the AAc stamp on it and the paint is real heavy on it, and not smooth. Nice heavy steel too.
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Good deal!
The brackets were dipped which likely accounts for the finish you see.
Mike
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Kind of reminds me of the finish on my 81 FXS Lowrider. The black wrinkle on the side covers looks very similar, just not as much texture.
Good deal!
The brackets were dipped which likely accounts for the finish you see.
Mike
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The front license plate bracket is still avail from G.M.
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The ACC on the front tag bracket was on later production. Mostly all front tag brackets have a "C" stamping on either side of the lower mounting tabs, where it bolts to the valance. The same goes for the rear tag holders. The earlier holders have the 608 part number towards the center and the later has it up higher with the ACC stamping also.
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The ACC on the front tag bracket was on later production.
What is considered later production?
Mike
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Hey Dave, like Mike says what is considered late? Did you ever get my PM saying I found a set of spark plug wire shields? Just wanted to make sure your still not looking for them.
The ACC on the front tag bracket was on later production. Mostly all front tag brackets have a "C" stamping on either side of the lower mounting tabs, where it bolts to the valance. The same goes for the rear tag holders. The earlier holders have the 608 part number towards the center and the later has it up higher with the ACC stamping also.
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The ACC on the front tag bracket was on later production.
I agree - how late is late ? My 01C X77's original bracket is AAc - so is the one I bought in the 80's -
Regards,
Steve
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I just got a front bracket that may be the original. It has the "C" on each mounting tab, how long was this bracket used? and
what is considered later production?????
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Interesting thread. Had no idea so dug out my old license plate bracket. Had it not been for some the posts, I would not have found the "AAC" stamp. Lightly glass beaded the area is supposed to be and sure enough, there it is. Small, thin font style, so pretty sure it's orginal. I'll post pic's later. '69 04C Van Nuys Build.
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Know this is old, but wanted to add to the content. 5 years ago, I posted to this thread:
Is it likely that GM used more than one supplier for these brackets, especially for LA cars? I have a NOS front bracket with the GM stickers and AAc, but the rear bracket (def. original to the car) has the GM part # stamped on it, but no AAC...... I saw the eBay auction that people have referred to, and I went out in the dark with a flashlight to check my brackets... no AAc on the rear though :(
Well, yesterday I was working on the rear of the car and noticed a stamp in the rear plate bracket that I hadn't spotted previously, when looking in vain for 'AAc'. It is a capital 'P' inside a triangle. Couldn't get a decent photo in failing light, but will have another go today.
Haven't seen that stamp before on any other component, or in anyone else's build thread AFAIK. Alternate supplier? LOS assembly peculiarity?
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I thought the P with a triangle was a after market stamp from Paragon industries?
I think they also stamp the DZ carb bracket that holds the fuel line.
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Here's a picture of the photo on my camera screen - not great, but enough to see the symbol. I have to figure out how to get the original image from my SD card to the iPad.....
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Austin, I recall the carb stud fuel line support bracket thread, but pretty sure Paragon's logo is a 'PR' inside a diamond or shield shape. This plate bracket also has 'GM3913608' on it, and it's been on the car since at least 1971.
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http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12107.msg99663#msg99663 (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12107.msg99663#msg99663)
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Sorry , my bad. I remembered the P in a geometric shape forgot the "r". Thanks Darrell.
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Old thread - Is there a consensus on the front license plate bracket? I have seen NOS brackets with the AAc on them. But the original license plate brackets have a "C" stamped on each of the lower arms that does not seem present on the over the counter NOS parts. Thanks,
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I've seen several examples on original cars including my 2B Norwood original bracket and, true to form, the "C" appeared on some however as with other multi supplier parts, other markings were common as show in this thread.