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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: lykaneagle on December 22, 2012, 07:07:52 PM
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Anything stand out that may prove or disprove an SS? She has all correct SS badging, dual exhaust, 10 bolt (don't know if any of it is original). Drivers side door jam: 124377L107997. She's an early model that may not have had the 4P. No traction bar. Thanks guys!
Im having difficulty with updoading pic so I'll spell it out:
10B J742
67-12437LOS 4891
760-Z Y-Y
W 2M 3S
5Y
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Does it have the motor? SS cars only came with 350, 396 engines, match VIN"s. SS should have a 12 bolt rear.
Read and reread the tech/info part of this site, Almost any question you may have will be answered.
Welcome aboard,
VT
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It does have a 350 but not original. Not sure if 10 bolt is original. currently has multi leaf also.
thanks for the help! and the welcome :)
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I've been researching for awhile.......haven't been able to "disprove" that it's an SS. I guess I was just hoping something would stand out to someone.
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Is the trans a T-400 with a matching VIN? Is the rear end date a match with the car? It should be before your early build. Nothing in field 4 on the TT is not a good sign. 67 guys know much more than me, keep checking.
VT
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Since VAN Nuys starting using the 4P deisgnation for the 350 engine in September of 1966 (and your car was built the second week of October, 1966), It's not an SS. While it "could" be an L30 (327/275), more than likely it left the factory as a LF7 (327/210).
Ed
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Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. That's what I figured, I just wasn't ready to admit it ;)
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67s never had multi-leaf rear. ;)
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you can still have a lot of fun with it even though it is not an original SS...
the 327 cars were still pretty fast and a lot of fun to drive...
with a little bit of tuning and/or some modifications ... you can have one very fast Camaro
... and not original really means you can modify it however you like...drive it all the time... etc... ;D
and don't forget... it is still a Camaro... a Great looking car ;)
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BlackoutSteve, the reason i mentioned the multi leaf is because I was thinking maybe the entire (12 bolt) rearend was replaced with a 10 bolt and multi-leaf. I'm still not 100% convinced she's not an SS. The earliest picure of a trim tab I have EVER seen with a "4P" is from the 3rd week in Oct. Mine was born the second week. I need to find the birthdate of the 10 bolt and that would answer some questions, I suppose. And yes, GI Joe, either way.....I love this car and just the fact that she "could" be an SS adds to the intrugue of it. I'll continue to build her as an SS, which at this point only means getting the correct hood w/ louvers (and 12 bolt). Everything else is spot on....engine, badging etc. It will always be a driver and I never plan on selling. It will be my son's pride some day. With just a few minor paint repairs (bubbling around rain gutters and rear window) she will be a real looker. Interior looks great and the 350 is strong. Fun, fun, fun to drive, easy on the eyes and real head turner. Just gotta love it!
thanks for the replies guys.....
Oh, anyone have a picture of a TT that shows a 4P from LOS prior to 10B? If so, I will admit defeat :)
Merry Christmas Everyone!!
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I'm still not 100% convinced she's not an SS
I am. The earliest cars we have in the db with the 4P tag is over 3 weeks prior to your car being built, so it's not an SS.
Ed
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a picture's worth a thousand words.......
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I doubt that would even convince you.
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Ahh..im just playing. She's not an SS (most likely) ;)
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Do the car right, and it won't make any difference.
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She's not an SS (most likely) ;)
No doubt, she's not. Also clearly stated here: http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#67Codes
"Van Nuys started using the 4P code on the SS350 cars in September"
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Thanks for the links.....I just wish could I could see a pic. In no way am I doubting anyone's intelligence. All I'm saying is that in my mind there will always be this little "I wonder" floating around until I see a TT prior to 10B with a 4P. .....just sayin'.....I'm a seeing is believing kind of guy. Admittedly, It's not an SS.......I've just never actually seeeeeen the proof that it isn't. Also, like I previously posted, it really doesn't matter. It's just a pleasure to be able to own this car regardless of what some trim tab says.
Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
Troy
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Do the car right, and it won't make any difference.
That brings up an interesting topic.....in your opinion, what does this mean. Do I make an SS Clone? Prostreet? Put a 327 back in and go with stock? Is one option better than another? I would like to keep it a driver and I don't want to disrespect what a '67 camaro should represent. Opinions?
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I don't have a dog in this fight but "clones" are a dime a dozen and "Pro Street/ Pro Tour" just cuts up a good car. It's always been my opinion if it would have been better any other way GM would have made it differently since this car was started from scratch on a piece of paper or in someones mind.
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pro tour it and make some "real" money selling it at auction...
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It's already a clone... Drive it and enjoy it.
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I'm a day one kind of guy, so; I'd leave the car stock appearing, take off the SS stuff, put in whatever drive train you want and have fun with it.
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Just my 2 cents, I like the day 2 look. My 11A built car was a basic 327 - 2 bbl., Powerglide, with standard interior. I now consider it a Tribute Z28 / day 2 car. There's pics. on here if you check out my posts. The Engine is the original 327 built with forged 'Vette Crank, 2.02 "Double Hump" heads, and an original 610 Intake. It is dressed up to look exactly like a 302 (with Headers). Powerglide Trans. has been swapped for a "built" TH 350 with a Hurst V-matic shifter(often mistaken for a 4 speed). 10 bolt open Rear-end has been swapped for a 12 bolt 4.11 Posi. Interior has all been redone exactly like original standard, with 60's style custom Steering wheel, Column mounted Sun Tach, and Triple Guages mounted under center of dash (60's style) Radio is a Classic Sound AM/FM with 10 Disc CD Changer mounted up under the Package Tray (out of sight) Dash looks like original. Car is still the original Bolero Red color (BC/CC), and changes that have been made, can fairly easily be changed back. And I enjoy the Heck out of driving it the way it is. Just my 2 cents.
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I am so day 2!
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I am so day 2!
...as long as the car can easily be brought back to its original look
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So, what's it's original look?
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well it had a black bumble bee stripe on the nose and the hood had cool louvers on it. it had a 12 bolt rear end, dual exhaust and a 350ci engine
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Dude...not going there again.
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lykaneagle,
Email me a pic of the cowl tag, and I'll post it for you.
What folks are trying to determine is how it came from the factory.
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10 or 12 bolt ??? See reply # 2 vs # 15.
VT
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Anything stand out that may prove or disprove an SS? She has all correct SS badging, dual exhaust, 10 bolt (don't know if any of it is original). Drivers side door jam: 124377L107997. She's an early model that may not have had the 4P. No traction bar. Thanks guys!
Im having difficulty with updoading pic so I'll spell it out:
10B J742
67-12437LOS 4891
760-Z Y-Y
W 2M 3S
5Y
lykaneagle>>>>;
my 11A built LOS coupe Tag reads same as yours with exception of Date, Build #, and color (mine is R-R) 3S and 5Y are interior options (upgrades)only. My car was just your standard 327 - Powerglide, I see nothing on your Tag post to indicate it would be an SS. BTW, even IF the 12 Bolt rear-end was original, the Multi- leaf springs are not.
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Thanks for the help guys. On a different note; I'm leaning on puting a 700R4 tranny in soon. Would it be wise for me to keep the powerglide for "someday"? Not positive, but I'm sure it's original to car. Would it be a nice selling point someday to keep it? Original motor is long gone so the #'s matching aspect is gone. I would have to pay an extra core charge for tranny if I were to keep it is the reason I'm asking.
Thanks!!
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10 or 12 bolt ??? See reply # 2 vs # 15.
VT
I was just kidding, MO's getting so worked up I wanted to throw some fuel on his fire (and it worked). KurtS spelled out the possibilities of what the car may have been stock very clearly. I will continue my worldwide search to find a picture of a pre 10B cowl tag with a 4P..........
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If the vin on the trans matches the car I would definitely keep it. Otherwise, use it as a core exchange. Oh yeah...good luck with your search.
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i still cant find a pic of a pre 10b with a 4p. if theres documentation in the db why would a pic be so hard to find?
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I know of dozens of earlier 4P cars. One will show up on ebay again....