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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Coupe21 on December 14, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
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Looking to see what information i can gather from the forum on 69 camaro currently listed on Ebay Item# 181040314775.
Thanks
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A quick link to the car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z-28-1969-Chevy-Camaro-Z28-w-302-Matching-Motor-4-Speed-Early-69-car-NO-RESERVE-/181040314775?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a26d7f997
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I don't like it. If d80 equipped it would have a short spoiler, too early for a cowl hood, and I believe too early for the vin stamped by the oil filter. I don't like the pad stamp either. Too early for a 388 block. Wrong headlight bezels, shouldn't have the stainless on the rain gutters. Rust coming thru, no Camaro nameplates on fenders, etc, etc.
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I think the trim tag is a repop and I've never seen a Tonawanda engine with DZ stamp.
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Tonawanda stamp on a DZ block...dead give away fake stamp, all DZ engines were built in Flint.
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VIN: 124379N514669
Paul
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In a bit over 2 hrS it will have a new owner, who will believe he has bought a *real* Z28 (true or not) for something over 25K...
the engine is definitely NOT the correct one... so that makes one suspect everything...
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What's with the door panels??
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What's with the door panels??
Those are optional for people with really bad taste!
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Hmmm...... Isn't the straight 7 number font wrong for a 69 trim tag? Shouldn't it have a curve?
Mike
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Nice gloss level in the trunk. He doesn't want any negative comments about the car and you're supposed to keep it to yourself. Sounds like he's sold questionable stuff before?
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WOW, $31,001 for a questionable car. Obviously the bidders weren't looking at this site.
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3310 with a 993 date.. ::)
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In my own opinion,
The "purchaser", AKA high bidder, had 263 auctions to his credit on eBay - really makes you wonder if this was a bid-up, or an owner trying to bid the car up to make more from the sale. I've seen similar situations where someone was "selling it for a friend" - turned out to be a situation where the friend was the owner bidding on his own vehicle to increase the bids/activity. A dead giveaway would be if it met a reserve, and then ran into a "non-paying bidder" and got relisted. Not saying this was happening in this case - just makes you wonder, especially when there are sooo many things incorrect about the car.
Too bad - hope no one got snookered, but it sure has the indications.
Regards
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The letter C in the axle code shows it is not a '69 Camaro rear, but a '70 Nova rear. The the '661 tranny case was not used until the '70 model year, or the late '69 production Camaros. Should have a '660 Muncie case being an early built car.
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Just an FYI , the build date on my 69 RS with block # 3932388 was 10D, so a 10B could very likely be correct with the ...388 block.
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Just an FYI , the build date on my 69 RS with block # 3932388 was 10D, so a 10B could very likely be correct with the ...388 block.
click, but not a z-28. There are documented z-28's with 388 block in February and march when they had a shortage in 618 blocks.
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It's got a rather unique trim tag as well.
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The letter C in the axle code shows it is not a '69 Camaro rear, but a '70 Nova rear. The the '661 tranny case was not used until the '70 model year, or the late '69 production Camaros. Should have a '660 Muncie case being an early built car.
FYI.. There's another thread concerning the use of the 'C' prefix (3 char codes) for late '69 Camaro rears as well...
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Car has been listed 3 times now.
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3310 with a 993 date.. ::)
I was under the impression 3310's were aftermarket Carbs. I think it should really have a 4053.
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Car has been listed 3 times now.
Surely a fair bit of shill bidding going on;
First auction ended December 14, 2012 - 48 bids, "sold" for $31,001
Relisted, Second auction ended January 9, 2013 - 50 bids, "sold" for $32,500
Relisted, currently had 45 bids, reached $24,100
Each time, listing states "no reserve", so why doesn't it sell? Hmm....
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Car has been listed 3 times now.
Surely a fair bit of shill bidding going on;
First auction ended December 14, 2012 - 48 bids, "sold" for $31,001
Relisted, Second auction ended January 9, 2013 - 50 bids, "sold" for $32,500
Relisted, currently had 45 bids, reached $24,100
Each time, listing states "no reserve", so why doesn't it sell? Hmm....
I believe you hit the nail squarely on the head. To me, a sure sign of a ghost bidder is (for example) whoever the bidder on this auction is marked 3***i with 10 auctions to his/her credit, pushing the bid up $500.00 periodically. I watched an auction not long ago that happened just that way - guy was using a proxy seller, anybody can do the same thing. After a while, it may backfire on the seller occasionally, or it hangs until some unsuspecting bidder happens on it and falls for it. I imagine scenario that happens a lot. I hope they lose their collective shirts.
IMO,
Steve
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If you notice the wining bidder in the last auction left good feedback to seller.
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Something does not seem right to me, not sure how transaction was completed and car still listed by same owner. I would not bid on car.
Paul