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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: TooManyReels on November 23, 2012, 01:32:21 PM
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Would this be the correct dip stick part number for a 69 model Z28 #3951576..I could not find this in Jerry's book and I searched this site as well..
TMR
Eddie
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Hey Eddie, on the dip stick you should see USE GM 6041-M-QUALITY MS ENGINE OIL and the length is 18 3/4" from bottom of handle to the tip.
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3951576 is the service replacement part number, but it's not correct for a 69 Z28. Read THIS (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=3437.0;all) for more info.
Ed
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Ed, After reading this post and the one you referenced I'm a little confused. It states that the flatten gauge handle dip stick is correct for the 69Z and that it didn't have a part number on it. I have a flatten gauge handle dip stick in my 69 Z and it does have the part number on it. Is this the wrong dip stick for my car?
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Sorry Rick, but I've not researched this at all, so I'll have to defer to John or Jerry.
Ed
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No problem Ed. I appreciate all the info you do give. You've helped me out a lot in the past.
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http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=3437.0
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Here's a couple of pics that might help. The instructions on the NOS 3974251 oil pan that I have calls for the service 3951576 stick, but my original "flattened" '69 stick is different, marked like all the previous threads, and looks different from both the 3876869 stick and 3896912 sticks shown on the attachment. Note the date on the instruction page - 2/69, and the reference to the 3951576.
BTW, all three of these sticks are identical in length, regardless of handle. The only thing I have not checked is the position of the markings relative to the end of the stick -
If you need any detailed pics, let me know. I just posted pics of the pan itself on a separate posting concerning '68 pan number and appearance -
Regards,
Steve
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Mine is the GM 6041-M-Quality MS Engine Oil. I was going to buy a NOS off e-bay for my car just for better details and appearance but it was the round dip stick with the green tip...Thanks for helping me out here guys this saved me a few $$$$ I can spend elseware...
Eddie
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Steve, You stated that all the sticks were the same length, what is that length? The middle stick in your picture (The Flattened gauge Handle) Does it have a part number on it? Thanks I appreciate your input.
Rick
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Rick,
I measured from the bottom of the handle ferrule to the end of the stick - they are all within a few .001's of 18-3/8". Brings up a good point - when you match the bottom ends up, the "Fill" marks are not in line (see pics). I saw in an earlier post that the stick one was using seemed to overfill the pan - this is probably the cause if he was using the wrong stick.
Flatted handle has the 2 picture spread here - "Use MS Oils - GM6041-M". Was on the car when I bought it in '73 -
Regards,
Steve
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According to the July 1969 Parts Catalog.
The 3951576 stick is listed for the 3974251 pan. This is for a 1969 302ci..
The 3896912 stick is listed for the 3927134 pan for the 1967 and the 3923239 stick is listed for the 3927134 pan for the 1968.
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Funny - packing slip said to use the 3951576 stick, but the stick in the box was the 3876869 grey tipped stick, complete with original tag. ???
BTW - pic of original '69 outer tube , plus part number for the NOS part (I believe this was common to most small blocks).
Regards,
Steve
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The 3876869 shows to be for a 1965-67 Chevelle 283-327 (except high performance 327).
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Got that, plus I see the other numbers in my '74 parts manual.
Lists the 3974251 as '67-69 Camaro 302, plus 70-72 Sp. H/Per. (350) by that time, so I'd guess there was already an update at that point. '74 didn't list the 3927134 pan by that date -
Regards,
Steve
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Steve and Jerry, Thanks for more info on the dip sticks. I don't know if this clears things up for me or made me more confused. :D
Rick
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Rick,
Sorry we got off the path a little - all this boils down to:
1) My original '69 Z stick is the flattened handle GM6041-M-Quality MS Oil marked, no other part number.
2) My '74 parts manual calls for the 3951576 stick, as does the pan instructions for the 3974251 NOS pan. This pan appears to be the intermediate number (or consolidated number) issued in '69 or later to encompass all three years. That number changed again in later years to (If I remember correctly) 465220, which was black EPDM or painted, but visually correct with the provisions for the factory 302 windage tray. I would take a picture of the one on my '68 Z, but it is assembled on the stand -
3) I'll shut up now 'lest I rile everybody. Just trying to help -
Regards,
Steve
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Hey Steve...some profile shots of the pan would be very useful. From what I understand the differences in the 1967, 1968, and 1969 pans were mostly external. So the external shots of your 1968 would be very useful.
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Steve, No problem getting off track. I learn some of the best stuff with those conversations. What throws me is my dip stick has the flattened handle plus it has the part number on it (3951576). I'm just trying to figure out if it's original. You've been a big help and I appreciate the info you've posted. Look forward to reading more .
Rick
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Jerry, these are some pics of an original 68 z pan compared to the replacement.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/otcfrontlip.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/bothprofilesoilpan.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/bothtabs.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/originalbaffle.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/originalfrontlip.jpg)
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w112/68zproject/originalfrontsump.jpg)