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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: william on November 23, 2019, 12:56:57 AM

Title: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: william on November 23, 2019, 12:56:57 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro/293343881487?hash=item444ca8690f:g:VBQAAOSwYBpd2Geu&vxp=mtr

124379N631498

04C build with an X33D80 body tag. Be sure to check out the diverter valve stamping.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: z28z11 on November 23, 2019, 03:25:37 AM
Funny - item description says black exterior - I must have gone color blind.

GF is a little over-the-top, at least it has a smog system for the crossram emissions. Owner remorse for installing a crossram was to add the smog back on the car ? Really ?

Love these sellers -

Regards,
teve
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: TODD on November 23, 2019, 05:26:38 AM
It must be a Z28, DZ is written in crayon on the drivers head!
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: Petes L48 on November 23, 2019, 12:34:34 PM
Has the rare hood hinge springs delete option.  Signs of serious pitting around the t tag and lower A arms.  Must have been a rust bucket.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: william on November 23, 2019, 02:00:12 PM
It has a fiberglass cross-ram hood with prop rod, likely repro. But, no hood pins.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: BULLITT65 on November 23, 2019, 03:39:06 PM
I agree with the comments regarding the tag being a repro, and the pitting around it. The protect-o-plate looks slightly different than my 08C one. What are your thoughts on that?

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: william on November 23, 2019, 04:54:53 PM
I pay no attention to protect-o-plates. It is possible to perfectly reproduce them on original addressograph machines, using NOS GM plates and folders. It is my understanding the NCRS no longer considers them in judging.

http://broachbuster.com/id4.htm



Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: BULLITT65 on November 23, 2019, 08:19:23 PM
I see your point. Bummer thought I had something special since a couple of my cars came with it...😖
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: janobyte on November 23, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Wow, that car was just done awful. Besides all the forementioned, (which glad you guys wrote,save me the texting)HOW much body fill in that gem?

I cant see that car moving$$

Quintessential can of worms. (Put nicely cause we don't cuss on this site)
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: 69Z28-RS on November 24, 2019, 03:21:07 AM
I see your point. Bummer thought I had something special since a couple of my cars came with it...😖

Austin,  I think most of us do believe it's pretty special if you have original PTPs for your original cars...  but a protecto plate is NOT a judged item, and if it's *suspect*, it would not play much of a part in a sale.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: BULLITT65 on November 24, 2019, 06:04:20 AM
I get it. I know the machines are still out there. I wonder how much of that GM tape is still out there to print on.
(Although I have seen originals without the logo on them)
I would still think for an original car that it would to the value. At least I have the window sticker ...(until they start copying those correctly)...😂
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: z28z11 on November 24, 2019, 03:26:20 PM
I get it. I know the machines are still out there. I wonder how much of that GM tape is still out there to print on.

How many rolls do you want ? Seen these advertised for years, blank plates with the Bowtie, even Addressograph machines - 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3865901-NOS-GM-Protect-O-Plate-Tape-Roll-Chevrolet-Nova-Chevelle-Camaro-Impala/333183154314?epid=657397643&hash=item4d9343788a:g:HG0AAOSwCgFczjeW

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: BULLITT65 on November 24, 2019, 04:18:20 PM
I guess I was under the impression, that the tape would have been destroyed, or all used up by now. good link. I sent the seller a question asking why he would provide a product that that helps the fraudsters
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: HOT3O2 on November 24, 2019, 11:15:15 PM
I believe the seller is a member here.
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: Mike S on November 25, 2019, 12:22:50 AM
The seller of which item? The car or tape?
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: z28z11 on November 25, 2019, 12:40:14 AM
I guess I was under the impression, that the tape would have been destroyed, or all used up by now. good link. I sent the seller a question asking why he would provide a product that that helps the fraudsters

Minor player compared to this ad. Includes the label maker -

There are several more examples online.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/General-Motors-Protect-O-Plate-Dymo-Tape-Embossing-Label-Maker-OEM-1965-1972/113616432477?hash=item1a74112d5d:g:ePQAAOSwh99cWN9F

Regards,
Steve
Title: Re: Caveat Emptor...another repro tag
Post by: HOT3O2 on November 27, 2019, 04:17:40 PM
Tape