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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: ruquik on January 26, 2016, 12:14:55 AM
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Looking at these block numbers? Problems??
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I don't like them. Block numbers are stamped too high. Don't like the vin either. Circular decking marks.
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Thanks for your input, I was a little worried that the 19N was deeper than the rest or the partial, also. Anyone else thoughts???
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Here is a real one within a month to compare. IMO your JH has me believing it is not legit.
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AT LEAST THE CORRECT ASSY CODE IS ON THE PAD , WHAT ARE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQ DECK THE BLOCK , NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL TIRES OR THE ORIGINAL AIR IN THE TIRES.... SPEND YOUR TIME HELPING PEOPLE, HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>
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AT LEAST THE CORRECT ASSY CODE IS ON THE PAD , WHAT ARE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQ DECK THE BLOCK , NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL TIRES OR THE ORIGINAL AIR IN THE TIRES.... SPEND YOUR TIME HELPING PEOPLE, HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>
NONE
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Mr. GM
You seem to be clearly on the wrong forum.
Victor
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AT LEAST THE CORRECT ASSY CODE IS ON THE PAD , WHAT ARE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQ DECK THE BLOCK , NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL TIRES OR THE ORIGINAL AIR IN THE TIRES.... SPEND YOUR TIME HELPING PEOPLE, HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>
You can mask the pad during any decking operation and only deck UNDER the heads... but this only works IF you want to preserve the original stamping, NOT if you want to eliminate the original and restamp to your nefarious fraudulent purposes!!
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HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>
Zero for me, but it appears you do it a lot...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/thegmparts/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
Paul
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Zero for me also. I like to treat other people as I like other people to treat me.
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I think we touched a nerve
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Don't know about all this other BS being talked about I was just looking for thought on these numbers. My customer bought this car which is real nice and the motor has some issues so he asked me to check it out and check the numbers out. I don't really see any of the original broach marks either?
Thanks
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Is it possible the block was decked and the numbers restamped? I'm sort of in that boat: decked block, lost numbers. Even if I could "find" them I'm really hesitant to restamp because it would look like a forgery.
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AT LEAST THE CORRECT ASSY CODE IS ON THE PAD , WHAT ARE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQ DECK THE BLOCK , NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL TIRES OR THE ORIGINAL AIR IN THE TIRES.... SPEND YOUR TIME HELPING PEOPLE, HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>
WTF dude.. I think you need to take it down a notch.. BTW TAKE OFF THE CAPS LOCKS (http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies3/secret2.gif)
Back to the original post. The block is a restamp in my opinion but would like to see a photo from straight down onto the pad. If the deck was squared then there would be less of the stampings visible..
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AT LEAST THE CORRECT ASSY CODE IS ON THE PAD , WHAT ARE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQ DECK THE BLOCK , NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL TIRES OR THE ORIGINAL AIR IN THE TIRES.... SPEND YOUR TIME HELPING PEOPLE, HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>
MR GM PARTS, I assume this is Mr. Greg Long?
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Is it possible the block was decked and the numbers restamped? I'm sort of in that boat: decked block, lost numbers. Even if I could "find" them I'm really hesitant to restamp because it would look like a forgery.
The 'stamped numbers' only have importance in two situations today. 1) Original Class Judging and 2) If you Sell your car. If you KNOW what the engine is/was and you don't plan to show/sell it, then leave it as is. If you restamp it for judging purposes then let the 'judges' decide what they will .. :) .. and if you restamp it and sell it, then just admit to the buyer (potential buyer) what you did... and no harm done!
The 'problem' comes into play when people/crooks/cheats/liars/etc Restamp a block for resale purposes and then claim that it's original. Obviously they can't fool all of us, but they do fool some people ... and that is Fraud.
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Don't know about all this other BS being talked about I was just looking for thought on these numbers. My customer bought this car which is real nice and the motor has some issues so he asked me to check it out and check the numbers out. I don't really see any of the original broach marks either?
Thanks
YES our records show it was sq decked after repair of a water leak fixed may 17 1999 , we have record of all blocks being resurfaced from 1974 to current machine shop records, jd
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MR GMPARTS, is your name Greg Long?
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YES our records show it was sq decked after repair of a water leak fixed may 17 1999 , we have record of all blocks being resurfaced from 1974 to current machine shop records, jd
Mr GMparts. I'm curious, how deep do you have to deck a block to totally remove the original factory stampings? How much do you typically have to remove to 'square' a deck?
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Let's keep it civil people. :)
Hey can anyone identify this quote, character and movie?
"Uh... It's not good. It doesn't look good."
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Hey can anyone identify this quote, character and movie?
"Uh... It's not good. It doesn't look good."
Maverick (Tom Cruise) in Top Gun!
Paul
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Hey can anyone identify this quote, character and movie?
"Uh... It's not good. It doesn't look good."
Maverick (Tom Cruise) in Top Gun!
Paul
And we have a winner!!!
Sorry if that one was too easy. :)
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AT LEAST THE CORRECT ASSY CODE IS ON THE PAD , WHAT ARE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE TO SQ DECK THE BLOCK , NONE OF YOU GUYS HAVE THE ORIGINAL TIRES OR THE ORIGINAL AIR IN THE TIRES.... SPEND YOUR TIME HELPING PEOPLE, HOW MANY BLOCKS HAVE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE NUMBERED>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now that's where you are wrong... at least a few people have original air in the tires when they bought the cars... one with 1000 miles and 12lbs to 15lbs of air in the tires.
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I think I would rather have a blank deck since it was decked & the numbers were machined off....
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For those of you that are new here the Mr Greg Long from Angola Indiana that we assume is MR GM Parts was convicted and sent to jail a few years ago for selling fake GM parts, restamped parts etc. The ads seem to be much more carefully worded now. I think the detective that was instrumental in convicting him was T Crooks at the Angola Police dept.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/06050701cld.pdf
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For those of you that are new here the Mr Greg Long from Angola Indiana that we assume is MR GM Parts was convicted and sent to jail a few years ago for selling fake GM parts, restamped parts etc. The ads seem to be much more carefully worded now. I think the detective that was instrumental in convicting him was T Crooks at the Angola Police dept.
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/06050701cld.pdf
Yes, his 'story' now is that he obtained his parts via 'trade' and thus he 'believes' he has no responsibility for telling the truth - but he has no problems stating that those parts/stamps are *original*... (he seemingly doesn't understand the concept of 'truth');
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This whole mess nowadays is why I still would rather drive and spend my time frequenting swap meets. I would rarely consider buying something from ebay that had any substantial value unless they were close enough to drive and meet face to face.
Feel sorry for those that get taken like that with a bunch of knock off parts. If ebay just disappeared it would be doing everyone a favor.
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This whole mess nowadays is why I still would rather drive and spend my time frequenting swap meets. I would rarely consider buying something from ebay that had any substantial value unless they were close enough to drive and meet face to face.
Feel sorry for those that get taken like that with a bunch of knock off parts. If ebay just disappeared it would be doing everyone a favor.
I agree that it is the worst feeling getting taken. I have had it happen at the swap meet, eBay (Greg Long, but got my money back), & craigslist. There is always that chance you take, when purchasing anything, hell, I went to Olive Garden last week, and my "sirloin steak" tasted like some turkey pork meat concoction, (should have stuck with pasta).
My point is, I think you always have to keep an eye out for fraud, and if you suspect it be on top of it, and if possible help others out to avoid it.
I like eBay and Craigslist, and while it was/is fun to look forward to going to swap meets, it seemed all to common, that the guys who brought stuff to the swap meets to "sell" would over price it, and would then end up having to pack it all up and take it home. Seemed less guys were out there to actually sell their stuff, they would rather talk about how nice and "rare" the stuff they brought was, then part with it. Anymore it seemed like there was more Vendors at the swap meets, then guys bringing quality original parts.
Ebay and Craigslist is not for everyone, as you guys alluded to, you have to be able to read between the lines, and like anything else do your research, and be able to spot the original, from the made to look original. I just like the fact that (for me) eBay is similar to a 24/7 swap meet, and you can still find gems, and below market price items on there, car related or not.
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I buy from ebay occasionally, I just don't bid. Don't like that whole concept. I'd rather someone just be upfront, tell me the price and we'll make a deal. I'm just a straight shooter and prefer to deal that way without all the monkey business. I've Been on the market fishing around at cars, but I pass anything up I have to bid on. If it has a "buy it now" or a "make offer" then I'm interested. If I have to bid with some hidden reserve, they can keep it. I guess I'm just old school, don't fancy computers much, like to deal face to face and touch/feel what I'm paying for. Then I'm confident in what I'm buying, the seller has his cash in hand and I have my part, everyone is happy.
Yeah Bullitt, I'm just weird like that I guess ;D
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Thanks for your input, I was a little worried that the 19N was deeper than the rest or the partial, also. Anyone else thoughts???
I would agree that the numbers after 19N appear to be stamped at a different time...not sure how this would be done?
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Pretty sure these kinds of questions are going to go unanswered. When you factor in that a guy like Greg Long may be reading along, that would be enough for me to lock the topic. Please see the above link from Charley, or do your own search for Greg Long / court / angola , and have a good detailed read, about a guy who is poster child of fraud in the camaro hobby.
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I don't like them. Block numbers are stamped too high. Don't like the vin either. Circular decking marks.
ALL CAMAROS #s 3/16 ASSEMBLEY #S WHERE UNDER THE CYL HEAD WATER PLUG THE #S WHERE STAMPED AT GM BEFORE THE HEAD WENT ON ALL YOU PEOPLE NEED TO DO MORE HOME WORK SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PARTS ARE ONLY ORIGANIAL ONE TIME at THE FACTORY WHEN INSTALLLED YEKNO .NETand all this site are very MISINFORMED at have a lot of guessing going on ...LOTS OF IN= CORRECT INFORMATATION ...AND NEVER ANY PHOTOS OF GOOD EXAMPLES ... JUST A LOT OF NEG, UNTRUE FACTS MORE FAKE NEWS..MR.GM RETIRED GM ENGINEERING
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GM FOUNTS ARE Correct & IN THE CORRECT LOCATION FOR THIS CAMARO LOOKS LIKE THE BLOCK Surface deck has been lightly refaced for flatness for a good GASKET SEAL
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LOOK LIKE YOU ALL NEED TO GET THE BOOK CHEVROLET BY THE NUMBERS ... From ALLEN the outer problem {is this site } you cant post any REAL photo files to the site has to small of data photo base 427 KING.
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Is '427 king' your signature? This thread is over 4 years old you are replying to.
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NUMBERS ARE AT THE CORRECT LOCATION AS UNDER THE WATER PLUG LOOKs LIKE THE DECK SURFACE HAS BEEN LIGHTLY REFURACED ON A WET SURFACER FOR FLATNEES FOR A GOOD GASKET SEAL ..
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I tire quickly of trolls. Here's your one and only warning. Either post constructive information or don't post.
Yes, it's well known that big blocks were stamped without the head on.
Too bad you can't recognize a restamped VIN.....