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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: '67 Camaro Survivor with a 250 on Youtube

« on: May 13, 2014, 01:34:12 PM »

Yes, just like your mother-in-law's car. Looking forward to seeing it one of these days. Are you taking it to any shows this year, Chill-r?

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Another '68 Camaro with a 6 bites the dust

« on: May 13, 2014, 01:32:41 PM »

The 6 cylinder stuff is going dirt cheap on CL and Ebay, since sane Camaro guys are turning their 6 banger Grandma cars into much better V8 cars (just kidding about the "sane" part). Last year I bought a complete 250 from a '68 Nova 4-door Grandma car (located in Elkhorn City, KY...car had 53k orig. miles) for $250. The car was purchased for its really nice complete front end for a '69 big block pro street Nova, and the 6 cyl stuff would've probably gone to the junk yard if I hadn't bought it. It pains me to see nice 6 cyl cars converted, but it is what it is, and that just makes the few original 6 cars left all the more rare and interesting.

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6-cylinder Camaros / '67 Camaro Survivor with a 250 on Youtube

« on: May 11, 2014, 05:36:50 PM »

They don't come any more original than this one. How rare is the 250 with a 4 speed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fRaHGFNZXE

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6-cylinder Camaros / Another '68 Camaro with a 6 bites the dust

« on: May 11, 2014, 04:49:46 PM »

This 250 engine and PG trans pulled from a '68 Camaro with 87k miles is currently on Ebay with a bid of $100. Sadness...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251526928327?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_114wt_1240

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Hello to All

« on: May 11, 2014, 04:39:41 PM »

Chill-R...great story and please wish your Mother-in-law a great Mother's Day. I hope she wins her battle with cancer and is around for many more years to drive her baby once in awhile. I take it you had to replace the 230...was it shot? Did you keep the replacement engine as close to original as possible, and does the air cleaner still have the bogus 250 decal on it ? I would like to look your Camaro's six over and take notes on stuff like carb spring size and color, fuel line routing, radiator hoses and clamps, etc. I also need to see how the backup light wiring is routed to the bottom of the steering column as the wiring in mine is butchered up. There are virtually no 6 cylinders left to use as references, and the fact that you're only 60 miles away is too good to pass up. I had a '72 Nova 4-door when I was stationed in the Navy in San Diego in the early '80s...it was a 250 with 3-on-the-tree and non power steering...a real handfull to parallel park. Did you have to do much work to the Camaro to bring it back?...it looks pretty amazing and I'm sure it must get alot of attention at Camaro shows.

My experiences with car salesmen is they tell you whatever they have to tell you to get the sale...caveat emptor.

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Slowly starting the 6 cylinder RS build from Hell

« on: May 10, 2014, 09:01:44 PM »

Darrell...I found a file with a couple of reduced size photos that I had received from a buddy who is proficient at photo editing. I'm posting a couple more photos for now, but will hit you up the next time I need to post a photo. I tried to download a photo editing app, but it turned out to be a trojan horse to take over my PC. I'm wary about posting photos now. Anyway, you can now see that the rust munchers were working on this RS for a long time (it was driven for about 15 years of NE winters, then sat outside for about 25 years). The dealer undercoated it with a pretty heavy coat of tar which saved the spring perches and rockers from complete destruction. Was it worth $1,600?

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: 6 Cylinder Vs. V8 from 1967 Car Life Magazine Test

« on: May 10, 2014, 12:10:42 AM »

Gas here in OH is almost $4.00 per gallon, and I doubt things will improve much as time goes by...which makes the 6 cyl cars more desirable. I think that over time they will become more appreciated and loved. It would be nice if there was a class for 6 cylinder cars at Camaro shows since the SS and Z cars garner the most attention and awards, but I don't know if there would be enough participants (not many 6 cyl cars left) to justify such a class.

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Slowly starting the 6 cylinder RS build from Hell

« on: May 09, 2014, 10:05:45 PM »

Darrell...I appreciate your offer to post the pics. Please PM your email address to me. Thanks!

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Slowly starting the 6 cylinder RS build from Hell

« on: May 09, 2014, 09:55:54 PM »

I knew it was rare and probably a true one-of-one when I found it, so the idea of making it a V8 quickly faded away. I thought of doing a re-body on it after a buddy told me it needed too much work, but I located a very knowledgeable body man who said the '68 was fixable. I now have most of the pieces necessary to accomplish the job and will be taking the body and parts to him within the next 2 or 3 weeks. I am hoping to put it 100% to its as-built condition, including the orange and green PTB firewall stamps (it was built across 2 shifts and has stamps in both colors), and crappy bias-ply whitewall tires.

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: 6 Cylinder Vs. V8 from 1967 Car Life Magazine Test

« on: May 09, 2014, 09:45:51 PM »

That would be several thousand dollars in today's money. I'm glad I'm keeping my '68 a six. I'm posting some more data on another topic tonight that compares all of the 1967 pony cars with sixes.

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Slowly starting the 6 cylinder RS build from Hell

« on: May 09, 2014, 03:06:46 PM »

It has pretty extensive rot in the quarters and floors as it sat outside in Newburgh, NY for the better part of 25 years (the guy bought it to "restore someday" and then just let it sit out). The quarters and trunk drop offs are bad, and the floor pans are shot, but the rear spring perches and rockers are salvageable. The complete drivetrain is there (all numbers match the P-O-P), and was originally Tripoli turquoise with a black D90 stripe (the last owner didn't like the turq and changed it to Lemans blue). The original owner was a woman who ordered it to look like the SS-RS in the showroom...it has almost no options (radio delete and no power options). I'll try to get some more pictures on here.

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Slowly starting the 6 cylinder RS build from Hell

« on: May 09, 2014, 03:19:58 AM »

I have one picture of Ol' Krusty that's under the 200kb size limit. It's going to need just a bit of polishing before it'll be ready for the show circuit!

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6-cylinder Camaros / 6 Cylinder Vs. V8 from 1967 Car Life Magazine Test

« on: May 08, 2014, 08:09:26 PM »

Hello All...thought some of you might find this information interesting. Car Life magazine has been defunct for probably 40 years, so I don't believe this runs afoul of any copyright laws. Anyway, Car Life ran an interesting article in their March 1967 issue where they compared an SS-RS 350 with a 4 speed and 3.55 rear-end to a plain coupe with a 250-6 with a 3 speed manual trans. (column shifter) and a 3.31 rear-end. Both cars had manual steering, and drum brakes all around. As tested weight (with driver and fuel) on the V8 was listed as 3,620 lbs. vs. 3,408 lbs for the 6. Weight distribution for the V8 was 58/42 front-to-rear, and 55/45 for the 6. Spring rates in lb./in. for the V8 were 125/131 front-to-rear, and 124/121 for the 6. Acceleration in seconds 0-30 mph (V8 listed first) was 2.9 vs. 4.8, 0-60 was 7.8 vs. 11.4, 0-80 was 12.8 vs. 21.7, and the 1/4 mile times/speeds were 15.8 @ 89 mph vs. 18.5 @ 75 mph. The author noted that acceleration times for the 6 would have improved with a floor shift instead of the balky column shift. Fuel economy was 16-19 mpg for the V8, and 19-22 mpg for the 6. Braking for both cars was virtually identical from 80-0 mph at 21 ft. per second, although the V8 exhibited slight fading on the first stop and noticeable fading on the 2nd stop (the 6 showed no fading on either stop). The author said, "The more equal weight distribution of the six cylinder car manifested itself in good cornering and handling characteristics, less rear wheelspin under acceleration, and better braking action. Camaro's inherent understeer was notably less less in the big six than in the SS 350 version". The author preferred the basic interior to the "chrome splotched" environment of the SS, and concluded that the Camaro with a 6 constituted "quite a bargain in on-the-road performance, paritcularly at $839.00 less than the SS".

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Hello to All

« on: May 08, 2014, 03:57:50 AM »

Chill-r...great story about your Mother-in-law, and God bless her! Yeah, women always get taken advantage of (in many different ways . How old is Mom, and does she still get rides around in her old Camaro? I got occassional rides to elem. school in a brand new '67 Camaro (gold with a gold interior, 6 cylinder with a PG trans) that belonged to my neighbor Cindy Williams' mom. She traded in a '59 copper colored 4-door Belair for it (a great trade, yes?). I have some of the original paperwork for my weird '68 RS (230 six with 3-on-the-tree), and tracked down the original lady owner through the website "USA People Search" (her name was on the P-O-P). She was 46 in 1968, recently divorced, and working as a dental assistant, so not much money for new car payments. She drove past Webber Chevrolet in Coventry, RI while going to and from work, and one evening in January there was a beautiful turquoise SS-RS Camaro in the showroom's main window...she had to stop and see it. After reviewing the bottom line with the dealership's owner, she realized she couldn't afford the payments. She really wanted a Camaro with hideaway headlights, so Mr Webber suggested she order a base Camaro with the RS option. She skipped ordering a radio and any power options, and thus the world's weirdest RS was born.

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6-cylinder Camaros / Re: Nothing been going on.........

« on: May 08, 2014, 03:40:31 AM »

Chill-r...your ol' buddy Ko-lek-tor said I should get in touch with you. Love the fridge white '67 six banger and the dog-dish caps. Great photos and story. I'm in the Columbus metro area and piecing together a '68 RS with a 6 and a 3-speed. My soon-to-be wife was born in '71, so I might be a worse cradle-robber than you (I was born in '57). You should enter your Camaro in the Len Immke Memorial Car Show in Dublin, OH in July...it would get a lot of attention. Best wishes, Alex