Bob, those photos are all from a group that are 1969 Daytona, save for the pic of the 70 model. I just included that one to Jon to show the differences between a 69 and 70 Javelin, since this is primarily a GM forum. I have some others he can post, if he wants. On top of that, the Baby Grand cars are quite "off topic" even in this forum, but somehow it was mentioned a few pages back that the T/A Javelins may have also been used in the Baby Grand series. I guess my point here, "no, at least not THIS car". Too many differences from the T/A cars. You're right, facts are way better....I think the biggest gripe that I have is the Ford group's "if we had been on the Goodyears, like Penske, we would have won in 69". Yeah, and if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his... :^)