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Title: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: vabeach56wagon on May 19, 2022, 01:46:35 AM

Can anyone give me dimensions and a picture or good illustration of the lower rod....Saginaw 4 speed

thanks

paul

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 20, 2022, 02:02:38 AM

I can, if you can give me a day or 2?

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: vabeach56wagon on May 20, 2022, 02:36:51 PM

That would be greatly appreciated and helpful.

paul

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 20, 2022, 07:57:28 PM

Here:

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 20, 2022, 07:59:02 PM

More:

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: vabeach56wagon on May 23, 2022, 12:19:49 PM

Thank you...none of the parts suppliers is carrying this rod...a good friend who has owned his '69 convertible since 1970: base SBC, saginaw 4spd, removed the lockout linkage to install headers many years ago. The car is now restored but the linkage is long gone...he had in his new parts bin the reproduction Muncie linkage.

I'll now fabricate rod. I think (have to go to my AM to be sure) the bell crank and upper rod carry the same part #.

Again, thank you.

paul

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 23, 2022, 05:23:47 PM

I’ll consider a possible parting with this part.
BTW- there are 2 on eBay right now.

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 23, 2022, 08:26:21 PM

Quote from: vabeach56wagon on May 23, 2022, 12:19:49 PM

Thank you...I'll now fabricate rod. I think (have to go to my AM to be sure) the bell crank and upper rod carry the same part #.

Again, thank you.

paul

I can tell you for a fact that the bellcrank for that Saginaw is different than a Muncie. I do believe the Saginaw and TH350 & PG share the same one.

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: vabeach56wagon on May 24, 2022, 02:35:33 PM

Now there is one on E-Bay....

Thanks for the heads-up

paul

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: vabeach56wagon on May 29, 2022, 11:39:28 PM

Quote from: ko-lek-tor on May 23, 2022, 08:26:21 PM

Quote from: vabeach56wagon on May 23, 2022, 12:19:49 PM

Thank you...I'll now fabricate rod. I think (have to go to my AM to be sure) the bell crank and upper rod carry the same part #.

Again, thank you.

paul

I can tell you for a fact that the bellcrank for that Saginaw is different than a Muncie. I do believe the Saginaw and TH350 & PG share the same one.

You are totally correct: the M35 "idler lever" is the direct opposite of the bellcrank for a Muncie installation. Now I have to find one of those PN3895290.

paul

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: ko-lek-tor on May 30, 2022, 02:32:33 PM

Probably have all that setup

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: vabeach56wagon on June 13, 2022, 03:01:54 PM

The saga of the Saginaw 4-speed reverse lockout idler assembly (bellcrank) mounted to frame: see the illustration above...

Resolved the problem of the Muncie vs Saginaw configuration (each the reverse of the other in position of the rod ends) by cutting the Muncie assembly arms at their base (or top), flipping them over and welding into position. Works like a charm on the Saginaw and with good beads and grinding the revised assembly appears untouched.

paul

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: ko-lek-tor on June 13, 2022, 03:31:34 PM

Too bad you screwed up the Muncie bellcrank. Goes for over $100 new repop. I’d have given you 10 of the correct bellcranks for that one and $75.

Title: Re: 69 Saginaw 4-speed reverse lock out lower rod
Post by: vabeach56wagon on June 17, 2022, 01:38:45 PM

I still have another new repop of the correct Muncie bellcrank (which was sent by a supplier as the correct bellcrank for the Saginaw)....our Z car has original assembly installed...this car is a good friend's 52-years-owning 307, saginaw 4 spd convertible...he'd had headers on the car in years past but now needs the reverse lockout and backup lights operational....sometimes you gotta make do with what you have...

Appreciate your advice and guidance!

paul