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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: dannystarr on November 12, 2022, 07:42:40 PM
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This is a very scarce flat bottom air cleaner assembly that is NOT reproduced as far as I know. Have not looked for a while. How often do you see a survivor cowl induction for an automatic only. Yes, that's right. This is not for a Z/28. Still has 350 sticker. Since all '69 pace cars had cowl induction, this would be correct for an automatic car.
My question is what do we think the value would be in this unrestored condition? ... Danny
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It could just be for an automatic SS with the cowl hood, doesn't need to be a Pace car. Although I think an original Pace car owner that has a very original unrestored car may value this time the most in its present condition. At the most I would guess it would be equivalent to an original Z ZL-2 air cleaner assembly in similar condition. So maybe around 500-700 in the current condition.
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Bummer, thought it would be worth more. I would think this would be way scarcer than a standard trans unit. My friend has only seen one in 40 years, and he bought it. This is the one.
A '69 small block Automatic SS NON pace car with special ducted hood? Never seen one. How many could there be? Danny
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If I needed it, I would grab it quick at $700. The 350 extension and original flange/seal are also valuable.
Thanks to Trends data, it is known that about 2,600 ZL2 cars were 350 auto. L48 auto Z11s are about 2,025, Z10s about another 220. So only about 355 L48 auto cars that weren't Z10 or Z11.
Rare part, not easy to find.
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William,
Thank you for the info. I really thought it was rare. Everyone loves to use Rare and Scarce in their descriptions. But this really is... My friend has been collecting parts for many years. He has this so I wanted to help him get a value estimate.
He had a '69 SS L/78 in his garage for 17 years. He drove it in and hasn't touched it since. He forgot that it had a bunch of parts stored in it. He found 4 or 5 '69 Rosewood wheels, '67-'68 NOS wheel well moldings with the 2 packs of original screws. Garage and attic buried full. He also has NOS quarters, fenders and 5 or 6 special ducted hoods all that he bought right from GM. He worked 30 days straight to the day trying to empty JUST the garage. Only has 1/4 of the garage touched. Gotta love it. Danny
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I think if you have that car, you would be hard pressed to locate one. But it always about putting the right parts with the right car or owner for the win win scenario, right? 🙂
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I ran across two of these at Spring & Fall Carlisle. $1200 each. The sellers knew what the other had and didn't budge from that price. They probably still have them.
But they are very scarce. So scarce, I made my own from a CHQ flat bottom repro and a GM snorkel. Can't tell the difference. Saved myself $950.
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So the question is are they worth 1200 to anyone else? Could be if the vendors hold onto them long enough. I suspect the price they would actually sell at to be much lower, or guys will get creative and find a way to make their own, as mentioned.
wtg camaronut. 🙂
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It could just be for an automatic SS with the cowl hood, doesn't need to be a Pace car. Although I think an original Pace car owner that has a very original unrestored car may value this time the most in its present condition. At the most I would guess it would be equivalent to an original Z ZL-2 air cleaner assembly in similar condition. So maybe around 500-700 in the current condition.
As far as original equipped cars go, I thought only 69 Z28s and 69 SS Pace cars came with cowl induction hoods. And since Z28s only had 4 speeds, that rules them out.
Sure, I suppose an regular, non-pace car SS owner (with an automatic) could have purchased a cowl induction hood and air cleaner,....
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Quote; As far as original equipped cars go, I thought only 69 Z28s and 69 SS Pace cars came with cowl induction hoods. And since Z28s only had 4 speeds, that rules them out.
No z/28s came with ducted hoods. Some cars were ordered with that option.....Joe
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Correct. The production hood is what they came with, unless it was optioned up.
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Strange, but logical thing about "Uber-rare" parts. They are only worth jack to the people with the "Uber-rare" car. I know a guy that has an "Uber-rare" Ram Air II 4 speed carb. There might be a handful of guys that need that carb. If you ain't one of those handful, would you pay $4K for a carb that's not right for your car? Of course not.
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Quote; As far as original equipped cars go, I thought only 69 Z28s and 69 SS Pace cars came with cowl induction hoods. And since Z28s only had 4 speeds, that rules them out.
No z/28s came with ducted hoods. Some cars were ordered with that option.....Joe
Correct. The production hood is what they came with, unless it was optioned up.
That's what I meant. In my defense, I didn't say they "all" came with them. I guess I should have said, aside from the pace car SS's.....only the Z28s "could" have been ordered with the cowl induction hoods.
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Not entirely true. :) ZL2 could be ordered with any SS (not just pacecars) or Z28.
http://camaros.org/exterior.shtml#cowlhood
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You could get it once it was available….late late December of 68 if I remember.
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To re-answer Danny’s original question, it is right on the edge of exceeding rare, or maybe I should class it as exceedingly hard to find one. I bought one years ago as an NOS-in-the-box at an excellent price, only to find out is was a post-‘70 big block Chevelle cleaner (different heat tube opening on the bottom of the snorkel), at first disappointing as I needed to replace the cleaner on my Z11, then financially lucrative when I found out how few NOS ‘71-‘72 BB ZL2 cleaners were out there. I have since made my own reproductions like camaronut, and have sold several over the years. Easy to spot weld including the vacuum tube clamps on underneath, use an NOS 4 spot vent and a green A/C vacuum signal valve, and it will pass for OE, albeit a LOT less expensive.
The cleaner pictured is for L48 applications only, although in the day you could order one over the counter and put it on any engine, though most people would have used the 6485235 cleaner, available OTC for a greater length of time (6485234 was discoed first). I know because I had my best bud run the numbers on the parts locators in the ‘80’s. Interestingly, the L48 and the Z28 demanded the same 270 coil assembly, which ain’t so easy to find, either -
Regards,
Steve
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Definitely a rare piece. The title of the post is "whats it worth??" So that is the direction I went
Steve you bring some good info and expanded on Camaronuts creation as well as your own.
If there is a Pace car group on Facebook, or if they have a separate site/forum, I would think that would be the best way to strike a fair deal for the air cleaner. Of course the Yenko site has a classified section as well.
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I'll add one more point - if you're going to create one, check the valve on the snorkel, making sure it will hold vacuum. The one I used didn't, and caused me issues - wondering why my engine didn't run right. I just stuffed a small piece of metal rod into the hose leading up to the vacuum pot underneath the air cleaner to block it off. Car ran fine after that.
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Good point. I accumulated a pretty good stack of used 2 and 4 barrel cleaners (you can use either, the 2 barrel heat tube mount has to be trimmed, it’s a little long). I test the dash pot with my vacuum pump before I remove the snout. I was also fortunate enough to find a couple of NOS A/C Delco replacement actuators, came as a kit with a new mounting bracket, although not stamped with the Therm A/C logo. If you’re careful (and patient) you can reuse the old bracket. If I had unlimited funds, I’d buy a used complete OE cleaner, but I enjoy building these things and saving the money -
Regards,
Steve
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Not entirely true. :) ZL2 could be ordered with any SS (not just pacecars) or Z28.
http://camaros.org/exterior.shtml#cowlhood
Ya learn something new every day...but it makes sense, more money for Chevy to be made.