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Garage Talk / Re: 1968 Camaro SS 396

« on: December 12, 2016, 01:14:07 AM »

Buy it now price of $36,900 is unrealistic, IMHO. Even the opening bid of $29,500 is a stretch.

It's a NOM SS. Can't even be sure it started as a big block with only the information in the ad. The Fathom Blue paint was a regular color in the beginning of the model year, so it's not a unique. Need a whole lot more info on condition to determine the value.

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General Discussion / Re: Highly Documented Resto, Reference Quality-My youknowhat 69 Z

« on: November 10, 2016, 05:45:49 PM »

Why even issue a certificate? The appraisal page is all that matters.

Ugh on the repro door panels that they never even put the Camaro emblems on.

   What do you mean why issue a Certificate?   Does it not at a minimum document the car as a real Z28?    That part seems kind of important.
   

No it doesn't.

The parchment paper first page just means you paid to have your car inspected. It could be any car. A 6 cylinder, plain jane, RS/SS, Z/28, base 327, whatever. It doesn't even have to be a Camaro. It's a privately owned business, not a public service.

The appraisal pages are the meat of the report. They provide a professional opinion of the cars condition, what options the car has and if they may be original to the car, along with a (usually generous) market appraisal.

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General Discussion / Re: Rallye Green '69 396 convertible

« on: October 11, 2016, 02:22:45 PM »

It looks my L78 coupe. Makes me feel good about values. I think the car is too late for the SS wheels but Jerry,s papers show it is a real car.

Have you read the report, or are you making that real statement based on a picture of the parchment paper?

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General Discussion / Re: Official "launch date" for '67 Camaro

« on: September 10, 2016, 04:49:11 PM »

    When was the official "launch date" for the '67 Camaro?     I am seeing several contradictory dates, ranging from Sept. 12 -'66 to Sept. 29-'66.

The first press event where it was revealed was September 12. It was available for sale September 29. That's probably where the contradictory info comes from.

It's covered pretty well in the Wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Camaro

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 code 716 Dalmation White Trm interior code on window sticker

« on: September 09, 2016, 07:07:42 PM »

Amazing. Just goes to say that you can never say never with regards to what came out of the factory back then.

Thanks Kurt.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 code 716 Dalmation White Trm interior code on window sticker

« on: September 08, 2016, 05:22:21 PM »

So the factory used different names for the hounds tooth interior and misspelled word on window stickers?


Please, I am not putting down the folks of S. W. Ohio, but you grossly underestimate the abilities of the Norwood crew. Here is a an example: 2 street signs a block apart in my area.
Great bunch of folks, hard workers (because there was alcohol waiting on payday), fun, loyal, good friends, and more common sense and know how than average. Just not a lot of "sharp knives" in the formal education department. Nonetheless, good folks!

I didn't think the window sticker was a manual process done on a local level. If that where the case, I suspect there would be many examples of misspelled words and other mistakes.

According to Hinckley:

The Scheduling clerk had already produced the P-O-P from the Broadcast Copies picked up at the Engine and Chassis lines, the window sticker, car shipper, and final order copy had been produced, and these were placed in the glove box with the warranty folder and owner's manual while the window sticker was applied to the door glass.

I assumed there would be a computer printing these things out and that by the 10th month of production all options would be uni-formally named and spelling errors corrected.

This is the first example of an unconventional named and misspelled option on a window sticker that I have seen CRG opinion-ate as authentic.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1968 code 716 Dalmation White Trm interior code on window sticker

« on: September 07, 2016, 11:56:46 PM »

That dealer did several special paint cars. I'd guess orange originally.
Real window sticker, never seen that interior name used.

Seller claims  Corvette Bronze is the original color. Special paint may be stripe delete. Any idea what RPO 1001HA  PAINT  means?

Would a standard color with stripe delete be coded on the POP? (no code for paint on this POP)

So the factory used different names for the hounds tooth interior and misspelled words on window stickers?

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Decoding/Numbers / 1968 code 716 Dalmation White Trm interior code on window sticker

« on: September 07, 2016, 02:44:13 AM »

I have never seen hounds tooth called Dalmatian and its spelled wrong so I suspect this is a reproduction window sticker.

Also, the trim tag is coded for special paint, but I cant figure out what code HA would be on the WS.

Opinions?







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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help with Drive train numbers

« on: September 07, 2016, 02:37:29 AM »

Looks like the small 6 cylinder manual trans with air conditioning code.

Assembled at the Tonawanda plant on November 11, 1966

Check it yourself here:

http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PadStamps

Yea I saw that too, but it is a BB, I found the 69- 427/335 or 65-396/325 on Camaro.com, was told it was 69-427

Thanks for your help.
Jim

Sorry for the mis information, but it would have helped if you said it was a big block!

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help with Drive train numbers

« on: September 07, 2016, 01:45:25 AM »

Looks like the small 6 cylinder manual trans with air conditioning code.

Assembled at the Tonawanda plant on November 27, 1966

Check it yourself here:

http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PadStamps

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General Discussion / Re: Rarest 69 Camaro ever?

« on: August 06, 2016, 03:32:14 PM »

I believe its been pulled, i.e. the ad!?!?!?

The ad on my California Craigslist has been removed. Seller doesn't seem to understand Craigslist policy and is blaming others for his ad being flagged. Craigslist policy is to have ads local, and not posted in more than one location.

Please choose just ONE local craigslist site for which your ad is most relevant—generally the site closest to you. If your ad is equally relevant to all locations, your ad does not belong on craigslist. Please find another service. Posting the same ad to multiple locations on craigslist is prohibited.

Also, once your CL account gets flagged for a violation, future ads are removed at a much lower flag rate.

Asking price is now $120K ($120,000.00)

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/5719226713.html

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General Discussion / Re: Carolina Blue/Powder Blue '69

« on: August 02, 2016, 01:17:03 AM »

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Just saw this for sale on my local Craigslist. Nice car, I hope it finds a new home. I am not sure why he thinks CRG'ers are flagging him. Maybe it's getting flagged because he is putting on craigslist in Los Angeles and the car is in New Mexico?

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/5709316630.html

When guys think of rare First Generation Camaro's, Zl1's, Yenko's, & Z28's come to mind. When a woman thinks of the ideal rare First Gen Camaro, it is one with all the comforts of home, user friendly, and a striking color that is all female. For the car girl that has everything, this is that car and the only one known to exist.

This car sold on December 12, 1968 to Patricia Murray from Huntington Beach California, at Fletcher Chevrolet, Encino, California for $4,590.24. The Chevrolet Corvette & Ford Shelby GT500 sold for the same price in '69. The '69 Z28 sold for less. Only the '69 Yenko & Zl1 sold for more.

What makes this car comparable in price to the above list of highly sought after classics? It was ordered with 28 factory options. Many of which are extremely rare. Not only is this the most highly (Factory) rare optioned '69 Camaro ever built, it is the most highly rare optioned First Gen period. I realize this is a bold statement but I have researched these cars for almost 10 years. In the most informative First Gen on-line sites. Not once has one showed up with this many rare options, all in one package.

Having all these options in a First Gen Camaro is enough to satisfy any First Gen enthusiast, but what really sets this car apart from all the rest is it's "Special Order Paint" option: GM Paint Code 80; "Powder Blue". This is the only known '69 Camaro out of 243,932 built that came off the "ASSEMBLY-LINE" with this "FACTORY" color. In addition, this GM paint code was not available in '67 or '68, which adds to the rarity of this GM color.

Options; RS pkg, SS pkg, Special Order Paint, Am/Fm "Blue Light" Stereo, Electric Clock, Center Console, Head Restraints, Deluxe Seat Belts, Speed Warning Device, Auxiliary Lighting Group, Air Conditioning, Tilt Steering Column, Power Windows, Steering Wheel & Dash Wood-grain Accents, Power Steering, Power Brakes, Vanity Mirror, Light Monitoring System, Mirror-Outside Left Remote Control, Space Saver Spare, Front & Rear Bumper Guards, Spoiler, Vinyl Roof, Tinted Glass (original), Stripe Delete, & SS Chevelle Type Wheel, Spoiler, Guards- Door Edge.

A bit of trivia: 1969 vs 2016 buying power; The Am/Fm "Blue Light" Stereo sold for $239.10 = to $1,499.16. A/C sold for $376.00 = to $2,357.52. Tilt Steering Column sold for $45.30 = to $284.03. Power Steering sold for $94.80 = to $594.40. Power Brakes sold for $42.15 = to $264.28. Light Monitoring System sold for $26.35 = to $165.21. Mirror-Outside Left Remote Control sold for $10.55 = to $66.15. Vinyl Roof sold for $84.30 = to $528.56. Soft Ray Tinted Glass sold for $32.65 = to $204.72. SS Chevelle Type Wheel (available for Camaro SS Prior to 1/08/69) sold for $75.00 = to $470.25.

The documentation of this car is extensive & is cataloged in a 187 page book complete with photo's which can be made available to those interested.

Can be seen by appointment only.

Not a new restoration but shows like it is.

"Click on the photo to expand the image."

PLEASE; SERIOUS INQUIRES ONLY!

FOR THE RECORD: There has been car bashing on First Gen Camaro sites with regards to rare cars which is usually justified. However, this car is the exception & a guy can only stomach so much trash talk. This listing has only been posted for less than two days & they've already started.

A First Gen "Expert" states this is the only GM Paint Code 80 First Gen Camaro he's seen come out of Los Angeles (Van Nuys Assembly Plant). This same "Expert" has the largest data-base of First Generation Camaros known. However, he claims there may be 5 or 6 others & the more irritated he became the higher his numbers went. . .go figure. If this is the case those cars would have been built at the Norwood Assembly Plant & to this day he has yet to provide proof of his statement. All he can come up with is those cars have paint names such as Carolina Blue or Colorado Blue. GM's 1969 paint chart does not have such names. The only logical explanation is those cars & perhaps others like them were painted after they left the assembly plant.

I have seen 1 or 2 of these other cars. Their colors are very poor representations of this GM Code 80 paint. Let's just say for the sake of argument 1 or even 2 of those other cars are legit. That would be 4.1 to 8.2% of all '69 Camaros built & almost none existent when you consider the number of '67 & '68 models built.

I have added the "1969 General Motors Corporation" paint chart to the photos so you can see for yourself; nowhere are those so called names (Carolina Blue or Colorado Blue) listed as factory colors.

Sorry, the car just went up 10k.

70K FIRM

BETTER GET THE INFORMATION FROM THIS POST BEFORE CRG/THEIR MEMBERS FLAG THIS LIKE THEIR DOING TO ALL MY OTHER ADS! FLAGGING REMOVES CRAIGSLIST ADS COMPLETELY.

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Garage Talk / Re: Need help to find records on a non-title car

« on: July 27, 2016, 07:41:03 PM »

First, apologies for the car in question not being a Camaro, but a 68 Firebird.

In order to get this registered here in Finland I need to find some info of the car having been registered in the US, previous license plate or such official document.

The car was sold overseas a few years back with only a hand written bill of sale on a piece of plain paper, no date, state unknown.
VinAudit.com does not recognize the VIN #223378U152195.
I need verification that it is not stolen, scrapped or something other.

I don´t know how or where to search.

It is a good project but before I buy it I have to find some US documentation.

Thanks for the help.

The good news is, Pontiac Historical Services can provide you with information on how it left the factory to help you restore it.

A VIN check here shows no theft record, but don't know if that is enough for the Finnish government.

https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_awareness/vincheck

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 67 Camaro possible pace car

« on: June 22, 2016, 03:30:38 PM »

Was the firewall and tag  paint chemically stripped? Maybe that stripped the rivet caulk as well.

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Garage Talk / Re: Interesting video on how the Stingray is assembled

« on: June 10, 2016, 03:16:37 AM »

Thanks Mike. I was only going to watch a few minutes of the video, but found it so interesting I watched it to the end.