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General Discussion / Re: Hot August Nights Barrett Jackson - 69 black Z

« on: August 11, 2013, 05:19:00 PM »

Hammered for $69,500.

It was at Scottsdale 2013, disclosed as a repro tag. Reported hammer price there was $100,000.

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Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel

« on: August 03, 2013, 02:21:26 PM »

So on the car that Jerry inspected they added the headlight trim, tail light trim and wheel well moulding, and then Jerry didn't call any of that out?

It's common for owners to display a Camaro Hi- Performance certificate. The inspection always includes a listing of non-original parts and incorrect features if it is a restoration. I'm sure it was noted.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: '67 Steel Wheels - L30/M20

« on: August 03, 2013, 02:11:09 PM »

14" x 6" wheels were optional [P12 $5.30] and included with tire options PQ2 and PW6.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Vin in data base

« on: July 12, 2013, 01:00:20 AM »

no

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's

« on: July 09, 2013, 11:32:23 PM »

The installation requirement in the AIM is "Tune-up sticker must be readable from front of vehicle" so either works but A/C cars could not have it on the core support.

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's

« on: July 09, 2013, 05:35:02 PM »

Nope. Other than the cover and possibly a feature car color was rare in magazines back in the '60s. The only color engine photo I recall was the L78 in the Mr Bardahl '68 Camaro SS.

As for Car Life and the cross-ram you have to wonder what they expected. The test car had exhaust manifolds and 4.10 gears-even a stock Z/28 was a mutt with that setup. The July '68 Car and Driver had a '68 Z/28 from Chevy engineering with everything imaginable. The engineer with the car stated the cross-ram was for track use only, designed to work at sustained high rpm. That's 1,200 cfm of carburation. I bought the remains of a T/A car in the '80s and the owner said even on the track a cross-ram was hard to drive.

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Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold

« on: July 07, 2013, 04:14:00 PM »

Lift hooks on engines with aluminum intakes are known to have been brush-painted to match during assembly.

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Originality / Re: 67 exhaust system questions

« on: July 06, 2013, 02:10:04 PM »

No chambered but there was the N61 "deep-tone" dual exhaust option; n/c on SS models. It eliminated the resonators and used a different muffler.

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Restoration / Re: Remove trim tag or not ?

« on: July 02, 2013, 02:34:44 AM »

Kind of amusing to read the responses here.

I've seen re-bodied cars and Dynacorn bodies with swapped VINs sell for six figures at major auctions. Repro tags with altered provenance are common. Someone wants to clean up the rust under a '68 tag with no build configuration info on it whatsoever and paranoia reigns.

The sky won't fall if the tag is removed.

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Restoration / Re: Remove trim tag or not ?

« on: July 01, 2013, 11:01:28 PM »

Push on the rivets from behind. If you're careful it may pop off with the rivets intact.

There is nothing on a '68 tag to indicate build configuration. You already have photos.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Cowl Tag Stamping Error

« on: July 01, 2013, 10:54:56 PM »

There is one other 091 example in the db along with 051 and 061.

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Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes

« on: June 29, 2013, 08:02:15 PM »

I have a book about Honda and how they transitioned from making motorcycles to cars. They interviewed a supplier that had shipped 316,000 pc of a particular part to the Ohio plant. Of those 44 were rejected. That's .0001%. Honda graded their quality "satisfactory, not outstanding."

The book was written in 1988. Probably not good enough today.

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Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes

« on: June 28, 2013, 05:45:31 PM »

Engineers do not always have the last word. Those who work in sourcing will tell you there is continual pressure to reduce costs. Generally mentioned in your goals for the year. Nothing is sacred in that endeavor. If you have to go back to engineering and have some spec changed that does not affect form, fit or function [like plating] that will save 10¢ per part so be it.

The '458' AIR pulley went from phosphate with a hard-stamp part number to painted with an ink-stamped part number. Maybe the source changed; maybe some buyer at Chevy gave the supplier a new cost target. Meet it or lose the business.

Today there are entire departments that determine what parts and tooling should cost before a supplier sees a drawing. Very tough dealing with the auto industry.

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z-28 for real?

« on: June 28, 2013, 12:39:22 AM »

Looks to be the real deal to me.

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Restoration / Re: Y55 Battery Warranty Label/Sticker

« on: June 24, 2013, 02:26:02 AM »

I checked two original road tests: an early production 69 Z/28 in the Jan '69 Hot Rod and a later Z/28 in the August '69 Car Life. The batteries are visible in both photos and neither has that label.