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General Discussion / Re: convertible glass ?
« on: March 09, 2013, 10:04:06 PM »
Doors are the same as coupe, quarter glass is convert only.
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General Discussion / Re: Speed Minder
« on: March 07, 2013, 11:41:57 PM »
It was a separate option, not included with or required with other equipment.
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Originality / Re: rear shocks
« on: March 03, 2013, 04:41:41 PM »
OE Delco rear shocks had an integral stud for the lower mount. The double threaded bolt was common for aftermarket servivce replacement shocks.
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Originality / Re: ball joints painted with control arm or installed after?
« on: February 13, 2013, 06:18:59 PM »
The control arm was assembled to the shaft with bushings and hardware, dipped in paint. Ball joint [and bumper] was installed afterwards and remained natural finish. Which in WI is rust...
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1969 - Orphans / Re: 668283 V0611DZ included with later car on ebay
« on: February 06, 2013, 02:11:15 AM »
6500 red line tach, very rare.
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Originality / Re: Rally Wheel Derby Cap Differences
« on: February 02, 2013, 08:01:00 PM »
I work in Supply Chain. All you're probably seeing there is the difference between suppliers.
When a vehicle is in production and plan requires, say, 5,000 pc/week of some trim part it is not unsual to have several suppliers. That's a decent volume and a number of suppliers would be interested in a piece of the business. Sometimes you need more than one source as seasonal demand peaks may be more than one can handle. Some companies want a source within 1 day shipping from an assembly plant. So the source for rally wheel caps for Van Nuys may have been different than the source for Norwood. Cost is a very big deal to automakers. Even during production stuff is shopped around for a better price. Suppliers can be dropped for quality or delivery issues.
Service parts are a separate consideration. Service parts have to be individually packaged and high volume suppliers many not be set up to do that. So GMPD may designate one of the suppliers to send a number of caps per week to a packager. The cap supplied may not be an exact match for the original.
When a part is no longer current MY all bets are off. Volume drops off dramatically and the suppliers that were doing 5,000/week are often not interested. They had a line set up to do your part that is no longer justifiable. So now they have to set up and run a small quantity maybe once per month. Instead of a set up charge amortized over 250,000 parts the same costs will be incurred for 500. And it has to be packaged. Not unusual to see costs triple or more when they go non-current.
When a vehicle is in production and plan requires, say, 5,000 pc/week of some trim part it is not unsual to have several suppliers. That's a decent volume and a number of suppliers would be interested in a piece of the business. Sometimes you need more than one source as seasonal demand peaks may be more than one can handle. Some companies want a source within 1 day shipping from an assembly plant. So the source for rally wheel caps for Van Nuys may have been different than the source for Norwood. Cost is a very big deal to automakers. Even during production stuff is shopped around for a better price. Suppliers can be dropped for quality or delivery issues.
Service parts are a separate consideration. Service parts have to be individually packaged and high volume suppliers many not be set up to do that. So GMPD may designate one of the suppliers to send a number of caps per week to a packager. The cap supplied may not be an exact match for the original.
When a part is no longer current MY all bets are off. Volume drops off dramatically and the suppliers that were doing 5,000/week are often not interested. They had a line set up to do your part that is no longer justifiable. So now they have to set up and run a small quantity maybe once per month. Instead of a set up charge amortized over 250,000 parts the same costs will be incurred for 500. And it has to be packaged. Not unusual to see costs triple or more when they go non-current.
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Originality / Re: Early bird special.
« on: January 27, 2013, 06:21:00 PM »
I have a much higher-resolution version of that photo (too large to post here), and it shows the unpainted backing plate quite clearly.
Firebirds used Pontiac-produced rear axles. Camaro rear axles were painted after assembly including brake drums and backing plates. Plenty of photos of this in vintage car mags.
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General Discussion / Re: L89 Camaro At Mecum, Not So....
« on: January 27, 2013, 05:20:04 PM »
So what you're saying is that B-J, Mecum, Russo-Steele has to assume full liability for EVERY claim made for EVERY car in their auctions?
Read the auction terms-AS IS, WHERE IS. All claims are from the seller.
Read the auction terms-AS IS, WHERE IS. All claims are from the seller.
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Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel
« on: January 24, 2013, 06:28:39 PM »William,
My understanding is that any '69 Camaros ordered with the 4-wheel disk brakes also included the 15" rallye wheel (or it was a mandatory associated option?) I assume this would even be true with the one 6-cyl Camaro that was supposedly ordered with the 4-wh disks?E70 x 14 tires were never available as original equipment on a 1969 Camaro.
The standard size [non-SS or Z/28] was E78 x 14; F70 x 14 optional.
SS cars had F70 x 14 as the standard size; several varieties were optional.
Z/28s and COPOs also equipped with 9737 used E70 x 15. There were no 15" tire options.
JL8 included 15" wheels when not ordered with Z/28. Only one such car is known to exist.
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General Discussion / Re: CRG Data Base
« on: January 23, 2013, 02:13:32 AM »
Some data comes from dealer documents; no way to know if a car still exists. Some undoubtedly do not.
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General Discussion / Re: 1969 NOS ZL-1 engine possibility ?
« on: January 12, 2013, 05:57:56 PM »
Believe it or not the production run of ZL1 Camaros carried both 12/12 and 5/50 warranties. That meant Chevrolet was on the hook to service them well into the '70s as the clock started when a car sold, not when it was built.
They must have had some inventory of short or fitted ZL1 blocks.
They must have had some inventory of short or fitted ZL1 blocks.
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General Discussion / Re: 1969 NOS ZL-1 engine possibility ?
« on: January 11, 2013, 01:06:11 AM »053 castings are 1997 and up.
Not true. #3 ZL1 had an 053 block.
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General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C?
« on: January 08, 2013, 06:50:27 PM »
A bud and I had a small Camaro parts business way back when and set up 1984 Chevy Tech Center show. They did a reception and the speaker was a guy from styling. He had been there since 1969 and was the only guy left from the good 'ol days. 1st Gens were phasing out by then and he had no involvement with them at all. He did remember the ZL1 showcar and it was his recollection someone there bought it as a roller to build a race car [gag]. By now there is likely no one left that worked in Styling in the '60s. Whatever they did was off the books and the records long gone.
Smokey Yunick was the recipient of at least two pilot cars: his 1st 1966 Chevelle race car and 1970 Camaro N500001. The '70 was received as a stripped body with no VIN but had a cert sticker showing it was built as a 6 cylinder. He never did anything with it and was sold "as-is" at his auction years ago. It is now "restored" and all sorts of ludicrous claims have been made about it. Bill Mitchell was given the '70 ZL1 show car and later had it updated to '78 specs. The CRG database has some very early production builds that were probably pilots as they have some unusual features. One '67 has a May '66 body tag. Years ago someone located build specs for about 10 '67s to be used as show cars. At that time they didn't have VINs but a few must have been sold later on. Some had extra wiring for show lighting and had '120V' noted on the body tag.
The best styling car is probably Corvette #1 the 1953 Motorama show car. They kept it around for some reason and eventually re-bodied it as a '55. Believe it or not it was sold like that with an 'EX' VIN and someone drove it for years. It still exists and whoever owns it will never have to worry about selling it.
Smokey Yunick was the recipient of at least two pilot cars: his 1st 1966 Chevelle race car and 1970 Camaro N500001. The '70 was received as a stripped body with no VIN but had a cert sticker showing it was built as a 6 cylinder. He never did anything with it and was sold "as-is" at his auction years ago. It is now "restored" and all sorts of ludicrous claims have been made about it. Bill Mitchell was given the '70 ZL1 show car and later had it updated to '78 specs. The CRG database has some very early production builds that were probably pilots as they have some unusual features. One '67 has a May '66 body tag. Years ago someone located build specs for about 10 '67s to be used as show cars. At that time they didn't have VINs but a few must have been sold later on. Some had extra wiring for show lighting and had '120V' noted on the body tag.
The best styling car is probably Corvette #1 the 1953 Motorama show car. They kept it around for some reason and eventually re-bodied it as a '55. Believe it or not it was sold like that with an 'EX' VIN and someone drove it for years. It still exists and whoever owns it will never have to worry about selling it.
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General Discussion / Re: Earliest Indy Pace Car 01C?
« on: January 08, 2013, 01:30:05 PM »
You're mis-understanding. By Pilot I mean a pre-production car built June of '68 that was sitting around unused. Styling maybe used it for the Z11 paint/trim proposal and took it to the dinner. It wasn't a "Z11 Pilot" not really needed as you have noted. Whatever was at the dinner wasn't a production Z11.